Will There Be a 2020 Football Season?

Chances of a 2020 season?

  • Full 12 Game Schedule

    Votes: 20 36.4%

  • Shortened Season

    Votes: 13 23.6%

  • No Games Played

    Votes: 22 40.0%
  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .
bugeater17 said:
I really think the Power 5 teams and Big Ten should really look at quarantining/separating players on campus from the larger student populations. This would include separate dorms and fall sport athletes going to online/virtual classes. It seems Nebraska is moving this way in the dorm/living situation. That is really the only way I see a potential of a season that isn't interrupted by outbreaks on a couple teams like we are seeing in the MLB. 
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It seems they are preparing for this.  I know freshman players are getting moved out of the apartment style dorms and being put into regular dorms, and all freshman will be together.  I wonder if they are preparing to have upperclassmen that live off campus be moved into the dorms for season, I'm really not sure I just know they are moving things around right now.  The thing is though, at the end of the day they can't lock these kids in the buildings and they are going to leave campus anyway.  Quite honestly this is all such a disaster and has gone much further than I could have imagined. There are just no solid guidelines and everybody is handling it differently. A clusterf**k is the only word for it.

 
I wonder if they can give the kids the ability to opt into or out of a season with restrictions. For example, if you want to play you can but you have to live in separate dorms, follow off hour restrictions, testing, etc. It feels weird making amateurs do that if they don't want to, but maybe if the kids opt in it will work. Then maybe they can opt out but maintain a scholarship, workout, etc but not be held to restrictions or forced to play if they don't think it's safe. The MLB outbreak just isn't really promising though.

 
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If they plan to separate them, they have their work cut out enforcing it.  I saw one of the student trainers yesterday hanging out with 30+ of his friends at a public function.  There was no social distancing going on at all... The vast majority of the kids I know and see aren't even making an effort.   

 
kansas45 said:
Will be impossible to do. Let's take this point by point.

1. I really think the Power 5 teams and Big Ten should really look at quarantining/separating players on campus from the larger student populations. It will be impossible due to the fact that you have a number of students who are either student-trainers, student equipment managers, work-study students in the athletic department, you still have maintenance and janitorial staff coming in to clean, you have coaches who will go home and be with spouses and children. You would have to quarantine the entire enterprise. You simply cannot just quarantine the student-athletes. And what about those student-athletes who need tutoring in an online class? Quarantine the tutors as well? 

2. This would include separate dorms and fall sport athletes going to online/virtual classes. The athletic department does set up class schedules for student-athletes; but what of the upper level courses that students take that are not available online or the faculty member or department or even the college that the courses are in does not elect to go fully online and their is only one section of the class? You would essentially have an athletic department dictating the academics and this is a no-no. We know it is done but in this day and age, there are probably a lot of faculty members that want to be contrarian to the whims of the athletic department. Trust me, they are there.

Here is another problem: you simply do not have "just the football" team to consider; you have the entire student-athlete population to consider as well. As well, you have different travel schedules for the other student-athletes and their sport; plus, can you imagine simply just quarantining and being in isolation and just being around the same people 24/7 without seeing any other signs of civilization? And really, what are you going to do? Put armed guards at the dorm entrance and secure all the exits so the football players do not go out? What is this? East Berlin? 
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Agree that #1 will be tougher, but if you can separate the players and as many student managers as possible it will help control monitoring and checking student managers who do have access to the team (or limiting their access and/or number of student managers).

# 2 is much easier. A lot of campuses are going to live streaming and/or zoom classes.This involves the professor teaching in real time and students log-on and participate just as they would in person. 

 
knapplc said:
Sure, but Joe Athlete doesn't have access to the advanced technology that some students in a scientific field have access to. Everyone has different access to different things based on their major.
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This is a non-argument. Why would the English major have to have equal access to the particle collider that the physics student has access to? Or the music major who has access to the trombone room to practice?

But this is the sticking point: you are not majoring in college football. 

But we forgot about the college football player who may be married and/or has children to boot? Keep a father away from his kids? Or his wife? Especially when you are young? At my age and how long I have been married, sure, I dream of four months away from her (if I hear one more honey-do, I will scream) but that is not reality. 

And we talk about "team cohesion" but there is also the thing called "getting away from people"; you all remember living in a dorm right? The things I was involved in ruined any potential political career that I had in mind. Young men will come up with some of the most foolish things to do (and some of them sound like a good idea at the time) and there will be the aspect of fights and arguments and someone getting on someone else's nerves. I believe you will see the breakdown of team cohesion in a bubble with college students. Disaster is written all over this. 

 
Hilltop said:
If they plan to separate them, they have their work cut out enforcing it.  I saw one of the student trainers yesterday hanging out with 30+ of his friends at a public function.  There was no social distancing going on at all... The vast majority of the kids I know and see aren't even making an effort.   
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MSU might be in the best boat...the whole team gets it, quarantines for two weeks while practicing....comes out ready to practice/play with antibodies.  :cowbell:

 
bugeater17 said:
# 2 is much easier. A lot of campuses are going to live streaming and/or zoom classes.This involves the professor teaching in real time and students log-on and participate just as they would in person
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Trust me, this is not as easy as it sounds. You have some students who work during the class period and will complain about that. Oh sure, you can make a class schedule and if it is face-to-face you are supposed to be there. However, when the pandemic hit, students went home and got jobs and that really messed up a schedule. Faculty had to switch around class times so that the students could meet. Like you expect the professor to be teaching 24/7? No way. When it says online, it means that the professor can establish the times that he/she demands OR they can be diplomatic and try to get a class time that fits for all the students (like herding cats in my opinion). Online classes are listed as Online and not given a class time schedule such as Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 11:00 to 11:50. Such blows the whole concept of online distance delivery based on the paradigm of "go to school at your pace and on your schedule." And if I am a professor and I have a set time to meet in the classroom I am not going to look to kindly to the person who gives the excuse of "I cannot make it, I have football practice; can I just do all my stuff online?" And there are professors who use the zoom attendance as part of the grade. Now, take all this information and couple it with the student-athlete that has a 15, or 16 or 17 or 18 hour schedule. Not all classes are created equal and not all of them are your typical 3 hour classes. Some classes could be a four hours with a separate lab component that is built into it that meets at another time. Here is an example: Biology 186 Principles of Biological Systems 1. This class meets MWF from 11:00 to 11:50; the lab portion is a one hour component to supplement the class; it meets on Tuesday from 1:30 to 3:15. 

Oh but the professor can meet with the student individually....sorry, that's called an independent study and no professor is going to do more than they have to. 

Oh but the professor can have a zoom and do a 50 minute class and simply meet for a 25 minutes to accommodate the football players....sorry, there are accreditation standards that strongly suggest that classes are to meet for the full time period and meet the prescribed "minutes"; 

Oh but the professor has academic freedom.....not until their Dean finds out what they are doing. No professor wants to have to explain themselves. 

Now, if the class is hybrid and let's say a class is to meet on Monday and Wednesday, but one half meets on Monday face to face and the other half meets on Wednesday you still have the aspect of being exposed to the general student population. If the class is completely online, you are going to have problems in scheduling a class time where all the students can meet for the Zoom at the same time. 

And you cannot simply have classes set aside for "just the football team" unless you have a cohort model but even this get's difficult at times as the student has a major and there are not multiple sections of an upper level course. 

Now, does this sound like this is "easier"? It is a logistical nightmare. 

 
teachercd said:
Yeah, the idea of hiring a bunch of young/new teachers...well...I know most of us just think that teaching is easy but the hardest part of teaching is not so much the content but the ability to control the class.

That comes with experience (most of the time)
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I remember how immature my friends and I were when we were in Junior High.  Looking back, I think people that teach, in particular grades 6ish through 9ish, have to have incredible patience, a relatable demeanor, and the ability to get the kids to trust them as well as know the material.  Like you said, I would hope most 6th grade math teachers understand math well at that level - that is not the hard part. 

Not to take cheap potshots, but just being young and eager as a teacher doesn't automatically mean those other important traits are present.  Some people seem to have them innately, others learn them over time.

I do some part time community college level instruction (physics) and I am thankful that for the most part class control is not a significant issue at that age.  I would never have the patience to teach K-12.

 
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Tom Brokejaw said:
Hello All!  GO BIG RED!

Just signed up looking for info.  Without having to read through 150+ pages of comments, what is the current hard news on football happening this Fall?
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Welcome. I am new here as well. A very good group of people who are passionate but they are not vulgar. A very intelligent group of people here. I have been very impressed. 

As far as football happening this fall, we are still waiting for the decision but we have interesting theories and very deep discussions. 

 
Tom Brokejaw said:
Hello All!  GO BIG RED!

Just signed up looking for info.  Without having to read through 150+ pages of comments, what is the current hard news on football happening this Fall?

Thanks in advance.
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Hello, and welcome.

Unfortunately, although this thread is 150+ pages long, none of us know anything. :D  

We know the Big Ten is only playing a conference schedule. We don't know if our existing schedule has been modified, or when the season is going to start. 

Check in frequently, though, because seconds after the news comes out, it'll be posted here.

 
Rochelobe said:
I remember how immature my friends and I were when we were in Junior High.  Looking back, I think people that teach, in particular grades 6ish through 9ish, have to have incredible patience, a relatable demeanor, and the ability to get the kids to trust them as well as know the material.  Like you said, I would hope most 6th grade math teachers understand math well at that level - that is not the hard part. 

Not to take cheap potshots, but just being young and eager as a teacher doesn't automatically mean those other important traits are present.  Some people seem to have them innately, others learn them over time.

I do some part time community college level instruction (physics) and I am thankful that for the most part class control is not a significant issue at that age.  I would never have the patience to teach K-12.
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Change the word "sales" for "teaching." 

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