The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election
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Notre Dame Joe
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One glimmer of hope. Those who lost the first debate bigly and did better in the last went on to win the election. Bush in 2000, Obama in 2012, Trump arguably in 2016.
Ratt Mhule
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knapplc
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The pre- and post-debate favorability ratings for Biden and trump are pretty interesting.
It's no wonder trump bailed on the second debate. Every time he gets in front of a national audience, his numbers go down.
From this poll
It's no wonder trump bailed on the second debate. Every time he gets in front of a national audience, his numbers go down.
From this poll
DevoHusker
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...Sounds eerily similar to the reaction from the left in 2016. Insert "Clinton" for Trump and it reads 100%
knapplc
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There is no leftist machine equivalent to the Right's silo of misinformation.
The disbelief I and many others felt was due to known things - like, how could 63 million people watch trump's campaign and still vote for him, or how could an election system be so disproportionally skewed toward Republicans that a Dem candidate can win 3 million more popular votes but lose by 80 Electoral Votes?
Plus there was the generic shock of "What will the next four years be like?" and that's been more than proven to be a valid concern.
teachercd
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This is so true. It will be the crazies out there crying and screaming, falling to their knees and whining like babies. Threatening others and talking about the world as we know it ending.
It will just be a different set of crazies doing it this time.
DevoHusker
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DevoHusker
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The disbelief that 63 million votes could be cast for Trump is one of the direct reasons he was elected.
I don't think the Electoral College is skewed for Republicans. It is skewed toward less densely populated/represented States, however that could have been either party if the Rust Belt and Midwest had, for some reason, identified as Democrats many years ago. I am one that thinks it is time for a change to "one person/one vote" as the Framers were sentient for their time, but that time has probably gone the way of the Model T. But, that was the system in place in 2016.
knapplc
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No, it isn't. He was elected because 63 million people looked past all his ridiculously obvious and on-display flaws and voted for him anyway. He is the worst candidate in the lifetime of anyone on this board. It beggars belief that people would be that stupid.
But, here we are.
DevoHusker
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Thanks for your view, which of course comes from the viewpoint of someone who backed Clinton, despite all her known flaws and connections/connotations. What beggars belief is that lots of folks were so pretentious in denying that there could be over 60 million folks that would never vote for Clinton or the Democrat political machine that fomented 8 years of talking down to "the deplorables" that didn't support Obama, so ergo, Hillary, when she was the worst candidate the Dems could have chosen to succeed Obama.
When given the chance between "hell no absolutely not" and "seems douchey, but not a lifelong politician" you are surprised at how it turns out?
As you say, here we are.
Ulty
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That really minimizes how horrible Trump is, though. People have always voted for douchey politicians, we often have no choice. And we can still tolerate and support douchey coworkers, family members, celebrities, etc by overlooking their flaws and finding the redeeming qualities. So choosing one douche over another is not shocking.
But Trump is not simply douchey. He is an outirght racist with no sense of decency who has never demonstrably cared about anyone. The fact that so many people pulled the lever for someone this terrible is what is shocking.
