Trump's Post Election Fallout: Legal & Obstruction actions

Notre Dame Joe said:
"The Capitol" is a distinct building.  It does not refer to a parking garage or Washington DC in general.  The pipe bombs discussed were found outside the offices of both political parties.  That appears to be action of one inept terrorist.  

Therefore you cannot use the word "coup" anymore to describe the mob.  You don't stage a coup by leaving your weapons in your vehicle and then storming into the seat of government with a flag pole.  In a coup you bring your weapons inside to bear on the officials.

"May have helped cause" is a no brainer since it's the lowest bar to step over. Rabble rousing being why people hate politicians. Every fiery speech in history contributed to whatever happened afterwards.
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and the rioters were screaming hang pence.    and they set up a noose outside the capitol.     they stormed the building when he refused to not certify the election.  i would say wanting to lynch the vice president is close enough to call it a coup.   

FWIW....don is calling for more fun on the 20th.  wonder what that will be?    

 
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Frott Scost said:
No, you say keep status quo because you and everyone else knows if the EC is abolished, the republicans will never win another election again unless they had a political realignment. 
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No, I say keep the status quo because of what I said before.  Whether it helps or hurts a certain party is irrelevant. 

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
"The Capitol" is a distinct building.  It does not refer to a parking garage or Washington DC in general.  The pipe bombs discussed were found outside the offices of both political parties.  That appears to be action of one inept terrorist.  

Therefore you cannot use the word "coup" anymore to describe the mob.  You don't stage a coup by leaving your weapons in your vehicle and then storming into the seat of government with a flag pole.  In a coup you bring your weapons inside to bear on the officials.

"May have helped cause" is a no brainer since it's the lowest bar to step over. Rabble rousing being why people hate politicians. Every fiery speech in history contributed to whatever happened afterwards.
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Is this your child?

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Why is someone tying to justify a mob of insurrectionist who violently broke into the capitol, left pipe bombs, yelled for heads on pikes, yelled to string them up, and killed a police officer.

Why is someone like that allowed to be here?

 
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ZRod said:
Why is someone tying to justify a mob of insurrectionist who violently broke into the capitol, left pipe bombs, yelled for heads on pikes, yelled to string them up, and killed a police officer.

Why is someone like that allowed to be here?
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I was told it was inappropriate to call someone like that anti-American (and some other silly stuff  <_< ) in the forum.

Mind boggling.

 
commando said:
and the rioters were screaming hang pence.    and they set up a noose outside the capitol.     they stormed the building when he refused to not certify the election.  i would say wanting to lynch the vice president is close enough to call it a coup.   
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Coup is a thing that has a definition.  It is not an umbrella term like "mob" or "protest."  What you saw Wednesday was a political riot.  The most aggressive bunch of the largely peaceful protest wanted to start a fight.  And when the authorities unexpectedly capitulated, they partied around the Capitol until they got kicked out.  It actually all the time when one group becomes more powerful than their predecessors.  Anyone saying Trump planned all this is delusional and condescending. 

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
Coup is a thing that has a definition.  It is not an umbrella term like "mob" or "protest."  What you saw Wednesday was a political riot.  The most aggressive bunch of the largely peaceful protest wanted to start a fight.  And when the authorities unexpectedly capitulated, they partied around the Capitol until they got kicked out.  It actually all the time when one group becomes more powerful than their predecessors.  Anyone saying Trump planned all this is delusional and condescending. 
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So either Trump's too stupid to realize the stupid things he says have consequences or he knows the stupid things he says have consequences and says it anyway (i.e. riots at the capital). Either way, Trump is an idiot and you like or actually, love him. 

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
Coup is a thing that has a definition.  It is not an umbrella term like "mob" or "protest."  What you saw Wednesday was a political riot.  The most aggressive bunch of the largely peaceful protest wanted to start a fight.  And when the authorities unexpectedly capitulated, they partied around the Capitol until they got kicked out.  It actually all the time when one group becomes more powerful than their predecessors.  Anyone saying Trump planned all this is delusional and condescending. 
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You absolutely fail in every aspect of this argument.  When a riot is incited by the President to intimidate the government to overturn an election where he lost, that’s a coup.  
 

your love of this disgusting human is an example of what is so wrong with this entire issue.  
 

You are devoted to Trump.  You are not devoted to America and it’s core values.  
 

 
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Pipe bombs, calling for heads on pikes of elected officials, calling for hanging of the VP, and killing a police officer doesn't sound like a largely peaceful protests.

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
Therefore you cannot use the word "coup" anymore to describe the mob.  You don't stage a coup by leaving your weapons in your vehicle and then storming into the seat of government with a flag pole.  In a coup you bring your weapons inside to bear on the officials.
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This is false. Weapons and violence are not defining characteristics of coups, and there are historical examples of this.

"May have helped cause" is a no brainer since it's the lowest bar to step over. Rabble rousing being why people hate politicians. Every fiery speech in history contributed to whatever happened afterwards.
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Bizarre. I've seen some fiery political speeches in my time. Very few of them resulted in a mob of rioters descending upon a government building, killing police officers and threatening our democracy.

How. Bizarre.

 
Enhance said:
This is false. Weapons and violence are not defining characteristics of coups, and there are historical examples of this.

Bizarre. I've seen some fiery political speeches in my time. Very few of them resulted in a mob of rioters descending upon a government building, killing police officers and threatening our democracy.

How. Bizarre.
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Maybe you can find a time when a coup was staged by unarmed men and the royal guardsmen folded to the mob.  I can't think of one right now.

Do you think the woman who said "“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” may have helped cause aggressive mobs harassing conservatives?

 
Notre Dame Joe said:
Coup is a thing that has a definition.  It is not an umbrella term like "mob" or "protest."  What you saw Wednesday was a political riot.  The most aggressive bunch of the largely peaceful protest wanted to start a fight.  And when the authorities unexpectedly capitulated, they partied around the Capitol until they got kicked out.  It actually all the time when one group becomes more powerful than their predecessors.  Anyone saying Trump planned all this is delusional and condescending. 
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son, you are the delusional 1 no one capitulated.  they certified the election results that you and the rest of the cult didn't like  

 
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