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Take the word political out of it.  People are going to stop sharing opinions in a few years from fear of being canceled, fired, hell jailed even.  We're already there in some instances. 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that particular one. Being an idiot about a political topic doesn't automatically make it a political view. It could just make you (the general sense of 'you,' not you personally) an idiot. But, I digress.

Regardless, it does not detract from the overall point that people hide their racism and bigotry behind 'politics.' That doesn't make them political views. It just makes them a$$h@!es.

 
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Pretty soon, nobody will willingly discuss political views openly if their name or face are attached to it.


We'll have to agree to disagree on that particular one. Being an idiot about a political topic doesn't automatically make it a political view. It could just make you (the general sense of 'you,' not you personally) an idiot. But, I digress.

Regardless, it does not detract from the overall point that people hide their racism and bigotry behind 'politics.' That doesn't make them political views. It just makes them a$$h@!es.
Like it or not, virtually everything is political or has those connotations these days. We may not like that seemingly straightforward science issues or matters of personal rights or freedoms have become political issues but they have and are.  I don’t foresee things getting better unless and until we as a collective can begin discussing things in a more civil manner and quit demonizing opposing points of view. But the problem is, people are being pushed (or choosing) far ends of the spectrum and not much is happening to foster meeting in the middle.

 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that particular one. Being an idiot about a political topic doesn't automatically make it a political view. It could just make you (the general sense of 'you,' not you personally) an idiot. But, I digress.

Regardless, it does not detract from the overall point that people hide their racism and bigotry behind 'politics.' That doesn't make them political views. It just makes them a$$h@!es.


That's all fine but a side topic from the point I was making.  At some point people will willingly stop sharing views because of the repercussions that could come with it.  Going on the record, stating something you believe in all falls under a freedom and I'm afraid that freedom is getting less and less accessible.

 
That's all fine but a side topic from the point I was making.  At some point people will willingly stop sharing views because of the repercussions that could come with it.  Going on the record, stating something you believe in all falls under a freedom and I'm afraid that freedom is getting less and less accessible.
A couple of thoughts with this.

First, I think we're already at that point. It's sort of an ever-evolving point. More and more people are becoming aware of how their thoughts and actions can cause harm to themselves and others. I'm not big on the whole "cancel culture" movement we're experiencing, but again, I think it goes back to my original point. There's sharing a political view... and then there's sharing a s#!tty opinion under the guise of it being a 'political view.' I think the latter happens way too often and people have hidden behind it being 'political' or even religious for far too long.

Second, I don't know if the freedom itself is less accessible. I think what's less accessible is the ability to get away with saying things you want to say. Too many people (not saying you) but too many people seem to think Freedom of Speech means Freedom from Consequences. As we would all probably agree, it does not.

I think it's a bit of scary time to be alive, though, in that regard. One little thing said the wrong way can ruin a career. But, I don't know if that's always a bad thing. Sometimes it goes too far. Sometimes it's well-deserved.

 
More and more people are becoming aware of how their thoughts and actions can cause harm to themselves and others.
And/Or people are becoming aware of how others throw a hissy fit over every little thing because no one pays attention to them in real life and/or they don’t like their lot in life, that getting upset over nothing Is a way for them to feel “empowered” because they can get a few people unjustly fired.  Those douche bags can now wake up in the morning and have their coffee feeling better about their lives while not caring about the ramifications of others being treated unjustly. 
 

It’s been great watching these print media types carry the cancel torch for years then b!^@h and moan on twitter when people go through their past timeline showing their own hypocrisy that gets them fired. 

 
That's all fine but a side topic from the point I was making.  At some point people will willingly stop sharing views because of the repercussions that could come with it.  Going on the record, stating something you believe in all falls under a freedom and I'm afraid that freedom is getting less and less accessible.


I get what you're saying but there also is a pretty big difference between having the actual freedom to say something and the consequences of having said it.  The effects of cancel culture may make the price much higher but it's not quite a freedom issue. But I agree with your assessment, if things don't change it will stifle the exchange of ideas or sharing of opinions.

 
And/Or people are becoming aware of how others throw a hissy fit over every little thing because no one pays attention to them in real life and/or they don’t like their lot in life, that getting upset over nothing Is a way for them to feel “empowered” because they can get a few people unjustly fired.  Those douche bags can now wake up in the morning and have their coffee feeling better about their lives while not caring about the ramifications of others being treated unjustly. 
 

It’s been great watching these print media types carry the cancel torch for years then b!^@h and moan on twitter when people go through their past timeline showing their own hypocrisy that gets them fired. 
Yeah... it's a whole 'don't throw stones in a glass house' kind of thing. I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions/words, but a lot of the people who go out of their way to flame or criticize people on social media are doing so to make up for their own failings. Or, they experience some kind of social justice 'high' when they've hammered somebody enough to the point that something unfortunate happens to them.

Some people earn the heat, of course. I just think context matters. Not everything should result in a full on social media meltdown but it certainly feels that way sometimes.

 
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I think discussing political views will always come with a measure of consternation.

But, there are a lot of things people try to suggest are 'political views' that are really just examples of them being a straight up d!(k. Like the whole Gina Carano thing. Making fun of transgenders isn't a political view. Promoting false election fraud claims isn't a political view. Tying that all up into a bow by suggesting your plight in life is that of a Jew during the Holocaust isn't a political view either.

That's the kind of stuff we need to separate from being a 'political view.'


I agree that the Holocaust stuff was bad.

But it's kind of interesting that comparing your plight to the Holocaust is "abhorrent" but comparing others to what Hitler did barely raises an eyebrow.

 
I agree that the Holocaust stuff was bad.

But it's kind of interesting that comparing your plight to the Holocaust is "abhorrent" but comparing others to what Hitler did barely raises an eyebrow.
Yep, and this happens far too often, people expect it to happen, and are unfortunately de-sensitized to it.

And for all those who are fine with Gina Carano getting canned, just remember Disney decided James Gunn wasn’t enough of an a$$h@!e/douchbag/despicable human that they brought him back. Apparently to Disney, being an awful scum of a human being isn’t as bad as writing a few twitter posts that have questionable taste. 

 
And for all those who are fine with Gina Carano getting canned, just remember Disney decided James Gunn wasn’t enough of an a$$h@!e/douchbag/despicable human that they brought him back. Apparently to Disney, being an awful scum of a human being isn’t as bad as writing a few twitter posts that have questionable taste. 
Gunn's tweets were pretty whacked out, too. I'm surprised he got re-hired. Hadn't heard that.

Kind of reminds me of when professional athletes do something crappy while with one organization, get released from their contract, but then get snagged by another team. 

(FWIW, not really sad to see Gina go from an acting perspective. She was one of the weakest links in that cast).

 
I get what you're saying but there also is a pretty big difference between having the actual freedom to say something and the consequences of having said it.  The effects of cancel culture may make the price much higher but it's not quite a freedom issue. But I agree with your assessment, if things don't change it will stifle the exchange of ideas or sharing of opinions.


Consequences should always be real and a measurable outcome in any situation.  The problem with freedom of speech is the rules change all the time as to what we are allowed to freely say and what will end up having consequences.  And not just immediately, because now we retroactively cancel people based off of opinions they had in the past.  It's not just a slippery slope, it's got major 1984 vibes at the core of it.

 
Gunn's tweets were pretty whacked out, too. I'm surprised he got re-hired. Hadn't heard that.

Kind of reminds me of when professional athletes do something crappy while with one organization, get released from their contract, but then get snagged by another team. 

(FWIW, not really sad to see Gina go from an acting perspective. She was one of the weakest links in that cast).
Never watched it but my two boys love the show. 

 
I feel like the people angsting over "cancel culture" and suddenly on the Gina Carano bandwagon after never voicing an opinion on her before today have missed maybe a few or several of her opinions.

She wasn't fired for what she said this past week. She was fired for a pattern of statements that almost any employer in this country would disassociate themselves from an employee for.

Does anyone worried about "cancel culture" want to research and post all the things she said in the past several months that led to her separation so we can talk fully about the situation?

Because I think if we did our proper research on her, we'd understand that a brand can't be associated with all that.

 
I feel like the people angsting over "cancel culture" and suddenly on the Gina Carano bandwagon after never voicing an opinion on her before today have missed maybe a few or several of her opinions.

She wasn't fired for what she said this past week. She was fired for a pattern of statements that almost any employer in this country would disassociate themselves from an employee for.

Does anyone worried about "cancel culture" want to research and post all the things she said in the past several months that led to her separation so we can talk fully about the situation?

Because I think if we did our proper research on her, we'd understand that a brand can't be associated with all that.
Disney literally hired back James Gunn.  Disney just pooped all over that argument. 

 
Disney literally hired back James Gunn.  Disney just pooped all over that argument. 


I've seen this false equivalency tossed around. The two situations aren't analogous.

James Gunn did say some similar things as Carano - in 2009. Gunn had a decade of good behavior prior to the tweets being discovered. Carano's tweets happened with the last months & days.

Gunn apologized for the offensive things he said. Carano has not apologized.

Gunn's coworkers penned an open letter requesting his return. No such plea has come from Carano's coworkers.

Gunn was off the Disney payroll for a year.  Carano has just been fired. 

Maybe if Carano apologizes for her offensive speech like Gunn apologized for his, maybe she'll be back in time for filming of the next season of Mandalorian. Ball's in her court.

 
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