Thoughts and Prayers!!!

DevoHusker said:
It is though.

I won't start with the typical "people with guns kill people" because that argument is cyclical. I know you mean well, as should we all, so that 14 kids at a school don't get shot. Your point of the archaic portion of the 2nd Amendment is valid with regards to outside threats. The part that true 2A zealots hang on to is in regards to threats from within. And there are hard core gun owners from the entire political spectrum, with the exception of the far left, so it is not just a conservative thing.

My point is more towards your earlier quote of "ban and confiscate". Here you say ban "most guns" and endorse making gun ownership illegal. What do you plan to do with/regards to the 400 million guns already in circulation? Who will you have confiscate those weapons? What guns would be acceptable to own, in your view? Do you think gun owners should be reimbursed, should the Government decide to seize them? Do you feel that the hard right folks will really forfeit them willingly should the other 80% of the population agree to go along? These are just a few of the questions that no one seems to be able to answer.

That is why I say this is where it gets complicated. 
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I guess I don't see it as complicated. Owing 2 pounds of Marijuana is illegal, and if I'm found with that I will be punished. There's nothing stopping laws existing from preventing the ownership of guns. 

The government could provide a buyback program, although I'm apathetic on that personally. I'm not going to shed a tear for a guy who spent thousands on a gun collection. That person should've tied their white-consevative-identity to baseball cards instead.

As far as the insane maniac militia groups, take their guns. If they don't give them up, fine and incarcerate them.  It's super-duper scary to knock on their door because they think they're defending themselves from tyranny? Too bad. If a psychopath shoots a guy, prosecute them. 

It's only hard because Americans lack the political will power to actually try and form a more perfect union.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I guess I don't see it as complicated.
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That's because you're right. It's really not complicated. There is a simple solution to gun violence in this country except it will probably never happen because a) gun ownership and use is akin to a personality trait and 2) too many people make too much money off of it.

If enough Americans wanted to actually do something serious about, we could. Instead, we get vague notions of navigating mental health problems and not stepping on people's freedoms.

 
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Dr. Strangelove said:
I'll tell them the same thing when an officer is shot busting down the door of somebody harboring drugs (which SWAT teams are used all the time for), thank you for your service and for upholding the law.

It isn't complicated. Stop trying to make it complicated. 
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Typical answer for a lefty.

F#ck the Police! Defund the Police! ACAB!

Wait...we need to take millions of guns from people that don't want to give them up...

That's a job for.the Police!!

:facepalm:

 
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DevoHusker said:
Typical answer for a lefty.

F#ck the Police! Defund the Police! ACAB!

Wait...we need to take millions of guns from people that don't want to give them up...

That's a job for.the Police!!

:facepalm:
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Yeah, those are views I do not hold. I happen to think those views cost Democrats winnable Senate and House races. I hope they do a better job of distancing themselves from those talking points in order to do better in 2022.

You did not address my argument. I don't care that they don't want to give up their guns. Drug dealers don't want to give up their drugs, it does not mean that if guns are illegal they can't be treated the same. 

But for you this must be worth it, right? Hot off the press:

https://www.1011now.com/2021/05/30/police-2-dead-over-20-injured-in-fla-banquet-hall-shooting/

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
Yeah, those are views I do not hold. I happen to think those views cost Democrats winnable Senate and House races. I hope they do a better job of distancing themselves from those talking points in order to do better in 2022.

You did not address my argument. I don't care that they don't want to give up their guns. Drug dealers don't want to give up their drugs, it does not mean that if guns are illegal they can't be treated the same. 

But for you this must be worth it, right? Hot off the press:

https://www.1011now.com/2021/05/30/police-2-dead-over-20-injured-in-fla-banquet-hall-shooting/
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You haven't paid attention to my stance if you think I feel that way.

We will not agree on this, so that's enough for me.

 
Archy1221 said:
What universal background check would have prevented this?  
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I think guns in general should be banned. Background checks don't go nearly far enough, you are correct. 

Unless you can provide valid enough reasons for average citizens to own AK-47s that is also worth a mass shooting every day in this country.

 
Archy1221 said:
What universal background check would have prevented this?  
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That's a bit of a straw man. Gun laws do not boil down to 'universal background checks.'

If we had less weapon inventory, a strict and stringent purchase process, and complete bans on ownership of certain types of weapons, then we'd probably be on a more direct path to preventing incidents like this.

 
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