Trev’s Big Decision - SSO Article Herbie's Hangout

FrantzHardySwag said:
They’d be fantastic hires but their agents will tell them wait to get a 5 year deal as a HC. Don’t blow your shot on making things work over 1-2 years at Nebraska. Could end up costing them millions in the long run.
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Can't disagree.  We are in uncharted waters.  IF Frost stays, it's because he is Frost.  No other reason.  No metric available says he will have success in year 5.  In fact just the contrary.  Only two coaches have had above .500 after 4 years of losing seasons.  Shiano and Cutcliff.....And neither of their success is remotely close to what NU desires....

Dogs In A Pile said:
I guessing he'll be back too even if they go 3-9 (15-29). Probably with an extension and a raise.

Sure wish I could have performed my job at that level without fear of being dismissed and richly rewarded for it.
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No doubt.  Be the worst guy in the staff meetings and paid like Bezo....

 
After watching the post game presser that does not look like a guy who is at all worried about his job.  The big announcement isn't going to be about a coaching change, at least the head coach.

 
Dansker said:
Gotta disagree with you on this. 4 straight LOSING seasons does not call for a contract extension. If it were me I’d fire him with cause due to the NCAA investigation and then there would be no buyout. It’ll take Frost twice as long as it did Frank to get over it which I think he never really did. This is a results driven business.

If he had a winning season in year 1 or 2,  I’d agree and be on board for making some changes with his assistants. He is not going to do that now. He doesn’t deserve a redo. He’s proven he’s a terrible coach who wasn’t ready to lead a major football program. He is way too loyal to assistants.

Maybe that’s because he wants stability but sometimes you’ve got to take a step back and think about what’s not working. He needs to get over his big ego and take a look in the mirror. He’s definitely coaching for his job if from what I’ve heard he may be on the chopping block already.
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I agree with your post as I work in a results driven organization where those that do not produce, even of they are a bosses favorite, must lose their job. 

The one word that I struggle with related to Frost is Trust. He had had so many opportunities to make staff changes, personnel changes, scheme changes, etc... yet he has chosen to stay loyal to his staff and players despite them underperforming.  Why should fans trust that this will be different next year when Frost has been stubborn the prior 4 years. 

 
HuskerNation1 said:
I agree with your post as I work in a results driven organization where those that do not produce, even of they are a bosses favorite, must lose their job. 

The one word that I struggle with related to Frost is Trust. He had had so many opportunities to make staff changes, personnel changes, scheme changes, etc... yet he has chosen to stay loyal to his staff and players despite them underperforming.  Why should fans trust that this will be different next year when Frost has been stubborn the prior 4 years. 
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Why would we trust him with hiring decisions also? If you force him to make changes, but let him choose, bow will that go? You also can't hire guys for him so that leaves a logical choice....

That said, I am convinced he will be kept. I am also becoming convinced he won't be asked to make changes and he won't make any on his own. He truly believes this is close as is.

 
runningblind said:
Why would we trust him with hiring decisions also? If you force him to make changes, but let him choose, bow will that go? You also can't hire guys for him so that leaves a logical choice....

That said, I am convinced he will be kept. I am also becoming convinced he won't be asked to make changes and he won't make any on his own. He truly believes this is close as is.
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Its trusting his decision making and judgment. It was obvious after season 2 he needed to make more changes yet he kept most of his staff and has stuck by AM for 4 years. I do not feel I can trust him to right the ship.

 
Decoy73 said:
You’ve previously stated that it won’t necessarily matter, and I get the reasoning for that, but with that being said.  Do you see significant changes on the offensive side of the ball occurring this off-season?  
 

Whether it be coaching and/or transfers, especially at QB?
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Your message is focused entirely at the tactical level when the issues are strategic in nature.  Bringing in a new position coach or two, or a position transfer is not going to alter our current course.  Case in point, Toure has been an outstanding transfer addition and yet, his stats will be completely lost as part of a 3-9 season.  

On the other hand, and for those who now watch Kentucky football, Wandale is a significant contributor to a team that is 6-3.  He had 13 catches last night alone!!!  I kept wondering when Coach Stoops might put him in the backfield and run him between the tackles.  Unfortunately, he failed to follow the successful Frost model.  

 
All Hail Herbie said:
Your message is focused entirely at the tactical level when the issues are strategic in nature.  Bringing in a new position coach or two, or a position transfer is not going to alter our current course.  Case in point, Toure has been an outstanding transfer addition and yet, his stats will be completely lost as part of a 3-9 season.  

On the other hand, and for those who now watch Kentucky football, Wandale is a significant contributor to a team that is 6-3.  He had 13 catches last night alone!!!  I kept wondering when Coach Stoops might put him in the backfield and run him between the tackles.  Unfortunately, he failed to follow the successful Frost model.  
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Wandale is putting up huge numbers, but there are grumblings from Kentucky fans that too much of the offense is now focused on Wandale, especially as they have lost 3 games in a row. 

 
Scarlet said:
After watching the post game presser that does not look like a guy who is at all worried about his job.  The big announcement isn't going to be about a coaching change, at least the head coach.
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You’ve got it backwards. He’s excited to collect his payout, get out of here and move on.

 
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Dansker said:
You’ve got it backwards. He’s excited to collect his payout, get out of here and move on.
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That's quite the cynical take.  Like a professional wants to fail.  Whatever people think of his coaching chops only a complete tool starts a job and looks forward to failure.  

 
Decoy73 said:
That’s my interpretation too, but I think timing seems off with this theory.  Like they announce the home run hire and then “oh and by the way HCSF won’t be back.”   Both the fire and the hire in the same press release would be pretty unprecedented.  
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So I looked around on Herbie's Hangout a little more and someone asked SSO "who is it not good for if we don't hear anything in 72 hours."

SSO replied:

I think if we don’t hear anything it’s not good for Frost and his staff
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