Tangent Thread - P&R Edition

knapplc said:
This guy's high as a kite every time he posts, right? Like a full chef's salad of the devil's lettuce.
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Enhance said:
Please use the report function in the future. I'm not the P&R curator. Today is my first time checking in on the board in a few days so it doesn't do a lot of good to tag one specific mod like this. 

This thread also isn't really the place to discuss whether or not a post is against board guidelines. If you think something is over the line then report it and let us handle it.
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And...?

 
ActualCornHusker said:
I still remember when Republicans told Democrats that legalizing gay marriage would be a slippery slope to normalizing pedophilia. Wonder who was right about that one.
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Homophobic much. Beside there are receipts.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

Let’s review some of that history …

In 2006, Florida Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign after it was revealed that he’d sent sexually explicit messages and propositioned teenage congressional pages via email and text.

In 2015, former Rep. Dennis Hastert, the longest-ever serving Republican speaker of the House, pleaded guilty to making illegal hush-money payments in order to cover up his history of sexually abusing high school wrestlers he had coached decades before.

“Nothing is more stunning than having ‘serial child molester’ and ‘speaker of the House’ in the same sentence,” the judge said at his sentencing.

During and after the 2016 presidential race, among the dozens of women who accused former president Donald Trump of being a sexual predator were several contestants in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, who reported that he barged into their dressing room while girls as young as 15 were changing. (Trump allegedly told them, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before

His campaign denied the accusation, but CNN unearthed a 2005 Howard Stern interview where Trump bragged about walking into backstage dressing rooms at the pageants he ran.

During the 2018 midterms, Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of preying on girls as young as 14 and 16; the New Yorker reported that his habit of trying to pick up high schoolers was so notorious that it actually got him banned from a local mall.

Also in 2018, Rep. Jim Jordan, one of Trump’s fiercest allies and a co-founder of the hardline conservative Freedom Caucus, became embroiled in a scandal over his time as a wrestling coach at Ohio State University, where a team doctor named Richard Strauss, who committed suicide in 2005, was found to have sexually abused more than 177 male student athletes.

An investigation commissioned by the university found that Strauss regularly used examinations as an excuse to grope and fondle the students, sometimes to the point of ejaculation; often ordered them to strip nude unnecessarily; and in two cases, attempted to perform oral sex. Numerous former wrestlers told reporters that Jordan was personally aware of the abuse during the early 1990s but chose to turn a blind eye. The Congressman simply denied having any knowledge of it—and suggested at least one of the accusers claiming otherwise was acting on a personal vendetta against him.

And finally, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida is currently the subject of a literal sex-trafficking investigation, which is looking into whether he had sex with an underage 17-year-old girl, among other issues. (Greene is close with Gaetz, who denies the allegations, and has defended him.)
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ActualCornHusker said:
I still remember when Republicans told Democrats that legalizing gay marriage would be a slippery slope to normalizing pedophilia. Wonder who was right about that one.
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Since our country still has a 99.9% outrage and horror and disgust anytime there's news of pedophiles trying to groom or committing sexual crimes against minors, and people outed as pedophiles do not survive culturally, I think we all know who was right about that one. 

 
Lorewarn said:
Since our country still has a 99.9% outrage and horror and disgust anytime there's news of pedophiles trying to groom or committing sexual crimes against minors, and people outed as pedophiles do not survive culturally, I think we all know who was right about that one. 
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It's sad that slurs like that perpetuate to this day.

 
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knapplc said:
It's sad that slurs like that perpetuate to this day.
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Have you read about this before knapp? I hadn't. I know nothing about the website.

Here’s a timeline:

1534: Martin Luther’s original German translation includes ‘knabenschander,’ which means boy molester.

1800s: A German Bible reads, “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination,” (Leviticus 18-22) and reads, “Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God,” (1 Corinthians).

1892: The Germans create the word ‘homosexual.’

1983: The American company Biblica pays for an updated German bible that uses the word ‘homosexual’ instead of ‘boy molesters.’ This was later put into the English bibles which read, “Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination.”
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Homosexuality & the Bible | Schuyler Bailar | PINKMANTARAY

 
I have never looked into that before, but it's interesting - and not surprising - that the text appears to be mistranslated, and maybe willfully so.

I did some more reading, and there's good scholarship to back this up:

In sum, traditional English translations of Leviticus 18:22 are known as “clobber passages” that condemn homosexuality. Lings’ philological, literary analysis undermines the inclusion of Lev. 18:22 among those texts. He legitimizes a reading of Lev. 18:22 that condemns incestuous, same-sex rape. Therefore, the use of Leviticus 18:22 as a weapon against all same-sex relationships is not only unjust, but linguistically misguided.
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Arsenokoitai


So what is the most accurate translation? Well, with all of the information we know regarding Paul, the context of where he was writing, who he was talking to, and what he was referencing, our best-educated guess is that it means some kind of sexual/economic exploitation. The Greek words “arsen” and “koiten” were used to describe events 1,600 years before Paul and those events always related to some form of pedophilia or abuse. In Biblical times, same-sex behaviour was primarily perceived as happening between adult men and adolescent boys (masters and servants), via prostitution, and by men who were already married to women. This means Paul was condemning the use of power for abusive purposes, any and all excess lust, and prostitution. From this we can infer that the concept of Arenokoitai is sexual and economic exploitation, and thus there is no way we can relate these verses to the committed, loving, consensual same-gender relationships we see today. The history of this word is complicated, but now it is time to undo history and correct the narrative.
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This is just one example of how it's very difficult to take a text originally written in Hebrew, translated into Greek, then into German, and finally into English, as a definitive source.

 
knapplc said:
I have never looked into that before, but it's interesting - and not surprising - that the text appears to be mistranslated, and maybe willfully so.

I did some more reading, and there's good scholarship to back this up:


Arsenokoitai




This is just one example of how it's very difficult to take a text originally written in Hebrew, translated into Greek, then into German, and finally into English, as a definitive source.
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But it's the word of god...

 
ZRod said:
But it's the word of god...
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I had an acquaintance who would argue her point (on FB) by saying she was Christian and The Bible wouldn't be able to be interpreted incorrectly because God wouldn't let that happen. But she used that to say her interpretation was the right one. If that was the case there would only be 1 translation.

 
These two tweets are unrelated. Regarding the first tweet, pandemic unemployment was easy by design. Getting money into the economy with speed was more important than doing so with restrictions or means testing. So you should blame those pesky Economists who studied the Great Depression who helped frame the pandemic response.

The second tweet is, presumably, supposed to show that the virus isn't that deadly unless you're a member of the elderly groups. This is weapons grade stupidity. One thing you people on the Right really need to do - close your eyes and think super duper hard - is that hospitals don't have space for everybody. What if you go there and they simply cannot help you...? The death rates for all age groups, especially the elderly, would skyrocket.

Those death rates are high but the Healthcare system helped a lot of people, but even still it was on the brink of collapse. But I realize that as a Republican your okay with the elderly dying as long as the Libs are sufficiently owned.  I hope your CPAC retreat in Hungary is going well, the weather is nice this time of year! 

 
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