The Village of the "Banned"

JJ Husker said:
I haven’t forgot s#!t.  My point was, as flawed as GWB was he is light years better than Trump and the current crop of republicans. That wouldn’t be lowering the bar at all, it would elevate it tenfold as would Reagan as would anyone prior to Trump. The only thing Biden has going for him is I don’t believe he is evil or rotten to the core, he’s just too frikken old and feeble.
 

And BTW I still don’t think GWB was all that horrible. He was dealt a s#!t hand with 911 and tried to deal with it as best he could. IMO his biggest flaw was laser focusing on terrorism and taking his eye off the economy. I really don’t care about the misplaced effort on Iraq. Hussein was a POS whether or not he had WMDs and whether or not Iraq had anything to do with 911. The world was a better place the day Sadam died. I’m not going to whinge over the how or why and yes, I would take Bush everyday and twice on Sunday over any current Republican.
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Saying you'd take a flawed and unpopular President based solely on him being better than Donald Trump is the very definition of lowering the bar. 

GWB didn't exactly deal with 911 the best he could. He followed the direction of d!(k Cheney and The Project for the New American Century think tank, who used the opportunity to pursue a long-game vision of U.S. hegemony in the Middle East that moved the conflict to Iraq to be followed by a takeover of Iran. The result was two failed trillion dollar wars that helped create the s#!t hand he fobbed off on Obama. In the absence of both Saddam and bin Laden, fresh dictators and terrorist threats have managed to pop up around the globe. Nobody mourns their deaths, but it's not like the problem got fixed. 

Like Trump, Bush started rescinding the regulations, taxes and policies of his predecessor based mostly on revenge, neither considering the ramifications or generating a new policy in their place. 

But the G.W. Bush of 2022? The guy who was able to step away, look back, recognize his mistakes (letting Cheney run the country), and try to marshall the establishment wing of the GOP against the bats#!t wing?  Far better than Trump. Would I want him back as President? That's a pretty low bar, man.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Saying you'd take a flawed and unpopular President based solely on him being better than Donald Trump is the very definition of lowering the bar. 

GWB didn't exactly deal with 911 the best he could. He followed the direction of d!(k Cheney and The Project for the New American Century think tank, who used the opportunity to pursue a long-game vision of U.S. hegemony in the Middle East that moved the conflict to Iraq to be followed by a takeover of Iran. The result was two failed trillion dollar wars that helped create the s#!t hand he fobbed off on Obama. In the absence of both Saddam and bin Laden, fresh dictators and terrorist threats have managed to pop up around the globe. Nobody mourns their deaths, but it's not like the problem got fixed. 

Like Trump, Bush started rescinding the regulations, taxes and policies of his predecessor based mostly on revenge, neither considering the ramifications or generating a new policy in their place. 

But the G.W. Bush of 2022? The guy who was able to step away, look back, recognize his mistakes (letting Cheney run the country), and try to marshall the establishment wing of the GOP against the bats#!t wing?  Far better than Trump. Would I want him back as President? That's a pretty low bar, man.
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Don't forget tens of thousands of American and coalition nation casualties and hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. Not to mention the war crimes that were committed.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Saying you'd take a flawed and unpopular President based solely on him being better than Donald Trump is the very definition of lowering the bar. 

GWB didn't exactly deal with 911 the best he could. He followed the direction of d!(k Cheney and The Project for the New American Century think tank, who used the opportunity to pursue a long-game vision of U.S. hegemony in the Middle East that moved the conflict to Iraq to be followed by a takeover of Iran. The result was two failed trillion dollar wars that helped create the s#!t hand he fobbed off on Obama. In the absence of both Saddam and bin Laden, fresh dictators and terrorist threats have managed to pop up around the globe. Nobody mourns their deaths, but it's not like the problem got fixed. 

Like Trump, Bush started rescinding the regulations, taxes and policies of his predecessor based mostly on revenge, neither considering the ramifications or generating a new policy in their place. 

But the G.W. Bush of 2022? The guy who was able to step away, look back, recognize his mistakes (letting Cheney run the country), and try to marshall the establishment wing of the GOP against the bats#!t wing?  Far better than Trump. Would I want him back as President? That's a pretty low bar, man.
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I guess we have different views and preferences. I don’t view it as lowering the bar when I would rather have someone who is ten times better than anyone we are going to get. But sure in some non-existent utopia there would be much better choices than GWB. I don’t happen to believe we’re going to magically jump to that utopia without at least some baby steps towards it first. The way down was relatively quick. The way back, if we do come back, is going to be much more challenging.

 
Archy1221 said:
Rape, incest and ectopic pregnancy abortions are banned thanks to the people you vote for. Own your vote.

I wasn't joking.
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“Tell me you are clueless about today’s ruling without telling me you are clueless about today’s ruling.”  
 

There you go Guy.  


No way you got suspended for that post alone. It may have been the straw but I’m guessing it was more a “body of work” issue with other posts and warnings involved.

Don’t play the martyr, it’s unappealing. Many of us have received temporary vacations and oftentimes the camel’s back post was fairly innocuous. You haven’t been treated any differently than everyone else has at some point.

 
The board's nomenclature is a bit different than what we'll tell people. We will tell someone their account is 'suspended' or 'temporarily suspended,' but the board's software will say something like "Banned - 3 days" when you hand out the actual warning. Different phrasing but the result is identical - the account can't access the site.

A permanent ban will say "Banned - indefinitely."

I don't generally like to air someone's laundry unless there's a really good reason or they open the door to it, and since Archy has opened that door, there were two posts included in Archy's warning. One was the one he posted and then this one:

Archy1221 said:
And this is why no one takes you seriously and for good reason.
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That's flaming. Everyone here knows it's flaming. Everyone here knows it's against the rules. And if someone has shown a repeated inclination to speak to others like this, break board rules, and foster toxic conversation, then more and more severe consequences will follow for that person. Finger pointing and feigning innocence is rarely an excuse.

I had made it abundantly clear in recent months (both literally in multiple threads and via formal warnings) that some of the f#&%ery happening inside of P&R was coming to a head and was going to be met with more serious action if people kept at it. Several people have received warnings and/or temporary suspensions for things they've said or done in P&R so nobody is being unfairly targeted.

I fully understand the subject matter is often times more personal than something like football AND has a tendency to enflame passions in someone any time they see something they disagree with. We have historically been a bit more lenient in that forum because of this. But if the same names keep popping up in different fights, unnecessarily mundane battles of wit, and rule breaking, then eventually something has to be done and I have absolutely zero problem being board parent and putting people in timeout for it.

 
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