Weird Time for Christians

You can build the wall 50 feet high, you could make the wall three layers deep, you could bury it 30 feet underground and you could make a moat with alligators and those desperate and opportunistic enough will still find ways in. 

Nobody is opposed to a sensible and diligent physical boundary...it's the primary focus on the physical barricade while simultaneously kicking the can down the road in regards to handling motivations/opportunities that continues to exacerbate the broken cycle of US immigration.

Neither party is presenting smart and holistic solutions to this, and both have plenty of guilt in terms of weaponizing the issue and using it to score cheap political points. It's weird and very lazy when people who clearly identify with one of the sides to spend their time pointing at the ways the other side isn't fixing anything while theirs is also not fixing anything.

 
Lorewarn said:
You can build the wall 50 feet high, you could make the wall three layers deep, you could bury it 30 feet underground and you could make a moat with alligators and those desperate and opportunistic enough will still find ways in.
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As you well know already, there is quite the difference than a few people climbing over the wall each month and 200,000 plus walking over each month

 
Archy1221 said:
As you well know already, there is quite the difference than a few people climbing over the wall each month and 200,000 plus walking over each month
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There is a difference. There's a lot of differences.

Also for clarity, that 200,000 number isn't people - it's encounters. And according to the CBP about 20% of the people crossing have done or tried it before (Title 42 has directly led to thousands of migrants to cross multiple times). DHS officials estimate that the recidivism rate during some parts of the year was as high as 38%. That number is also not the number of people that "successfully snuck in" - it includes everyone who presented themselves for asylum, and everyone caught and turned back as well. 

 
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I wonder why these people are leaving their country to come here and get treated so f#&%ing bad and bussed to cold places and get left outside.

It literally makes no sense.

 
Archy1221 said:
Probably because none of you want to talk about the real story.
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Yes, it's everyone else that's not talking about the "real" story. Not you deflecting again. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

 
Lorewarn said:
There is a difference. There's a lot of differences.

Also for clarity, that 200,000 number isn't people - it's encounters. And according to the CBP about 20% of the people crossing have done or tried it before (Title 42 has directly led to thousands of migrants to cross multiple times). DHS officials estimate that the recidivism rate during some parts of the year was as high as 38%. That number is also not the number of people that "successfully snuck in" - it includes everyone who presented themselves for asylum, and everyone caught and turned back as well. 
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You know this doesn’t help your argument.  Right???

RedDenver said:
Yes, it's everyone else that's not talking about the "real" story. Not you deflecting again.
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Thank you 

 
Lorewarn said:
You can build the wall 50 feet high, you could make the wall three layers deep, you could bury it 30 feet underground and you could make a moat with alligators and those desperate and opportunistic enough will still find ways in. 

Nobody is opposed to a sensible and diligent physical boundary...it's the primary focus on the physical barricade while simultaneously kicking the can down the road in regards to handling motivations/opportunities that continues to exacerbate the broken cycle of US immigration.

Neither party is presenting smart and holistic solutions to this, and both have plenty of guilt in terms of weaponizing the issue and using it to score cheap political points. It's weird and very lazy when people who clearly identify with one of the sides to spend their time pointing at the ways the other side isn't fixing anything while theirs is also not fixing anything.
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Yes we can talk all day and night about the height, width, depth of the wall and take other punitive actions to stop illegal immigration.  But the flood will continue.  It is in the heart of every person to be free and to have opportunity to better themselves and their families.  However, the holistic approach would be to bring the nations of Latin America, Mexico, Caribbean nations, Canada and even S. America into the loop and form a policy that works for all of the Western hemisphere.  Why are we outsourcing jobs/manufacturing for example to China, Vietnam and India etc when we can be helping our own hemisphere??  Why are we involved in wars overseas when we should be helping those countries in our hemisphere fight the cartels and other revolutionaries that make life difficult in our hemisphere.   We'd be money ahead, if we could help countries in the western hemisphere to develop jobs locally.  If we are going to spend money someplace for foreign aid, we should major on our neighbors.  Stop sending money to wealthy countries who don't need it.  Divert some of the military spending towards programs that help our neighborhood. 

 
TGHusker said:
Yes we can talk all day and night about the height, width, depth of the wall and take other punitive actions to stop illegal immigration.  But the flood will continue.  It is in the heart of every person to be free and to have opportunity to better themselves and their families.  However, the holistic approach would be to bring the nations of Latin America, Mexico, Caribbean nations, Canada and even S. America into the loop and form a policy that works for all of the Western hemisphere.  Why are we outsourcing jobs/manufacturing for example to China, Vietnam and India etc when we can be helping our own hemisphere??  Why are we involved in wars overseas when we should be helping those countries in our hemisphere fight the cartels and other revolutionaries that make life difficult in our hemisphere.   We'd be money ahead, if we could help countries in the western hemisphere to develop jobs locally.  If we are going to spend money someplace for foreign aid, we should major on our neighbors.  Stop sending money to wealthy countries who don't need it.  Divert some of the military spending towards programs that help our neighborhood. 
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YES....YES....and .....YES....

We pump so much money into countries halfway around the world when we should be doing that in countries in central and south America.  They need resources to fight crime and cartels.  If you can do that while creating an environment where there can be investment in jobs, we would not be seeing so many people trying to come to America from the south.  

One thing holding back these countries though is natural resources.  Countries like China have huge amounts of natural resources that allow them to grow industries.  If we are going to develop central and south America, we would need to ship resources there to do it.  It's possible.  But, it would add to the costs.

That said....we NEED this immigration for our workforce.  However, nobody seems to even try to fix helping more people come legally.  

 
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Archy1221 said:
Not following you.  And no I didn’t fabricate that number.  Just read a news article and you will find it quite easily. 
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How do you think they got that number for all the articles it can be found in?

I'll give you a hint: they didn't fabricate it either.

 
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