Gun Control

Guy Chamberlin said:
Hey Johnny Data?  None of the data remotely supports your claim that violent crime can be traced to an over-reliance of government, or your bizarre pivot to reparations and your desperate factoid that some Black people now WANT segregation. Good Lord.

You came in from the get-go with a premise that America's cultural decline is to blame for violent crime, and your definition of cultural decline has revolved entirely around sexuality. Do you read your own posts?  

Some of the more violent countries actually have more devout church attendance, and some of the least violent countries in the world are progressive socialist havens like Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Some dictatorships have very low crime. Some war torn nations have a ton of gun violence. Also try not to conflate "crime" into "violent crime." This is the Gun Control thread. 

You have no data. Just a personal gut feeling you're promoting as fact. You seem to have emerged from the original QAnon swamp that launched itself with conspiracy theories linking liberals and Democrats to systemic pedophilia and -- in the same breath -- cannibalism.

If I tell you I find the British reality show with underage nudity skeevy, can you just admit everything you're posting is agenda-driven and factually flawed?  
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So you're saying there is no cultural issue in America?  When the data shows where the violence is happening, and even can get to the areas within cities it's prevalent?  

The reparations concept is no leap. "We're owed to make amends" is a continued fuel to the divide-fire.  

My premise is that America is morally decaying.  This moral decay is indifferent to race, gender, colors, or creeds.  Sexualizing children (you leave this word out) is a manifestation of this moral decay.  It is not the cause.  It is a tragic symptom.  Moral decay leads to terrible choices...too often in a mass shooting.  Morally and mentally ill people murder others using guns.  The plurality of these shootings are happening in certain parts of certain cities in the country.  The data shows where.  

Sure, some violent places have church attendance.  Some soliclaist havens have crime slightly less than the US.  

Dicatorships I won't even address.  "Safer" under some despot is hell on earth.

Your pejoratives don't impact me.  I have "no data" yet cite links with data.  We both have an agenda, I suspect.  I'm posting in a couple threads where I believe moral decay is the root of our societal issues.  Why, what to do's, how severe...we likely couldn't disagree any more.   I'm good with that.

One more point.  I have no disdain for you at all.  Not a bit.  Zero.  I could not disagree more on most of your positions and, we may only find common ground on a college football Saturday.   All good.  The pile-ons in the P&R liberal Think Tank (look at the page difference between the two "Utopia" threads :) ) brings some new, and some familiar perspectives.   But it doesn't bring contempt for any individual.   

 
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Here an idea for the do something crowd that want to reduce the gun murder rate.  2 simple solutions…..

confiscate all AR platform guns from everywhere and stop selling new.

confiscate ALL guns from a select few zip codes across all the 100,000 plus person cities in the US and gun murders (based on historical data) would reduce by near 80% with just those two laws alone.   Everyone else and every other gun is fine.   Happy compromise as it’s a win win win.  

 
Archy1221 said:
Here an idea for the do something crowd that want to reduce the gun murder rate.  2 simple solutions…..

confiscate all AR platform guns from everywhere and stop selling new.

confiscate ALL guns from a select few zip codes across all the 100,000 plus person cities in the US and gun murders (based on historical data) would reduce by near 80% with just those two laws alone.   Everyone else and every other gun is fine.   Happy compromise as it’s a win win win.  
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No one would ever be murdered again.  The bazookas off the street set that precedent...

With all the criminals now obeying the laws, we are now unbound to love and accept all people...who think us...

;)

On a serious note, the zip codes bring up a very valid point on the concentration of violence in our country.  

 
DefenderAO said:
So you're saying there is no cultural issue in America?  When the data shows where the violence is happening, and even can get to the areas within cities it's prevalent?  

The reparations concept is no leap. "We're owed to make amends" is a continued fuel to the divide-fire.  
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I'm going to disengage again, because you've been given tons of really solid counter-arguments that you keep turning into pedophilia narratives and really tired straw dogs. You really don't listen to or absorb any useful information. 

I'll admit I may have been wrong. It's not all about sexual deviancy with you. It's also about racial profiling. Because there's no way to read the above paragraph and not conclude that you think Black people seeking reparations must share the blame for moral decay and gun violence. It could never, ever be anyone in the conservative sphere, who talk a lot like you but reveal a horrible hypocrisy at almost every turn.   

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I'm going to disengage again, because you've been given tons of really solid counter-arguments that you keep turning into pedophilia narratives and really tired straw dogs. You really don't listen to or absorb any useful information. 

I'll admit I may have been wrong. It's not all about sexual deviancy with you. It's also about racial profiling. Because there's no way to read the above paragraph and not conclude that you think Black people seeking reparations must share the blame for moral decay and gun violence. It could never, ever be anyone in the conservative sphere, who talk a lot like you but reveal a horrible hypocrisy at almost every turn.   
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oh c-mon now.  you know it's all the demoncrats fault and any right winger who shoots people is a hero for justice.   it's the right wing law.

it's "unfortunate" when a right winger says he is going to kill someone then does it......they need to be pardoned

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I'm going to disengage again, because you've been given tons of really solid counter-arguments that you keep turning into pedophilia narratives and really tired straw dogs. You really don't listen to or absorb any useful information. 

I'll admit I may have been wrong. It's not all about sexual deviancy with you. It's also about racial profiling. Because there's no way to read the above paragraph and not conclude that you think Black people seeking reparations must share the blame for moral decay and gun violence. It could never, ever be anyone in the conservative sphere, who talk a lot like you but reveal a horrible hypocrisy at almost every turn.   
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If they're so wearisome, let's tell the progressive machine to stop pushing sexualization.  It is indeed tiresome.  And they don't stop.  Same with the narrative that people don't kill people, guns do.  

Reparations - all races (and both genders) are caught up in the cultural violence issues in America.  The predominance of this violence irrefutably in leftist-leaning cities and in specific parts of these cities.  For some within that broader culture of violence, the rule of "we're owed" animates to a violent, figurative and literal, fire.  

This is no race issue.  The videos I post made by black conservatives often go unaddressed or dismissed here.  Racist?  How about Biden stating "poor kids are just as bright as white kids?"   :lol:   

The moral decay in America, in part, manifests itself in sexually exploiting children.  Other times, shootings.  You might address the former with nonchalance and the latter with contempt for the object.  Just two more discussion points that fall in the chasm as you stand on one side and I on the other.  

 
DefenderAO said:
The moral decay in America, in part, manifests itself in sexually exploiting children.  Other times, shootings.  You might address the former with nonchalance and the latter with contempt for the object.  Just two more discussion points that fall in the chasm as you stand on one side and I on the other.  
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If you think there's any hope for Republicans in this country, just read this guy's posts and just accept the fact that they're completely hopeless.

They truly have a belief system that is dislodged from reality. I advise you to do what I've done: just give up on them. If they want to vote in ways that are bad for their communities, let them. If they want to reduce government spending leading to the proliferation of poverty disproportionately impacting red states, let them. If they want to push for gun laws leading to high crime rates in red states, let them. Stop trying to drag them forward kicking and screaming.

 
Party A says they don't really care if you're gay, if you're straight, if you're trans, if you're confused, if you don't identify with the binary, or anything else and wants to make sure whatever you are that you're safe and free of abuse and condemnation for it.

Party B on the other hand actively tries to enforce only one rigid worldview in regards to sexuality and favors denying the autonomy and freedom to anyone who doesn't fit into it.

Then clowns think Party A is the group guilty of pushing sexualization. Tell me again which of these seems more in line with personal liberty and small government and conservatism?

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
If you think there's any hope for Republicans in this country, just read this guy's posts and just accept the fact that they're completely hopeless.

They truly have a belief system that is dislodged from reality. I advise you to do what I've done: just give up on them. If they want to vote in ways that are bad for their communities, let them. If they want to reduce government spending leading to the proliferation of poverty disproportionately impacting red states, let them. If they want to push for gun laws leading to high crime rates in red states, let them. Stop trying to drag them forward kicking and screaming.
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You're making this announcement to your own crew.  This is nothing revelatory.  Are the conservative newcomers going to start embracing your systematic beliefs?   :lol:

You're good with the emboldened.  Here is the premise of your point, Dr. Strangelove.  Your attack point:

The moral decay in America, in part, manifests itself in sexually exploiting children.

This is where you take your exception?  "Out of touch."  

The tropes and misnomers are familiar.  The discourse, a deadend.  

Sad, and no surprises.  

 
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Lorewarn said:
Party A says they don't really care if you're gay, if you're straight, if you're trans, if you're confused, if you don't identify with the binary, or anything else and wants to make sure whatever you are that you're safe and free of abuse and condemnation for it.

Party B on the other hand actively tries to enforce only one rigid worldview in regards to sexuality and favors denying the autonomy and freedom to anyone who doesn't fit into it.

Then clowns think Party A is the group guilty of pushing sexualization. Tell me again which of these seems more in line with personal liberty and small government and conservatism?
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Party A's agenda will tell you what new truth is next year.   

 
Lorewarn said:
Party A says they don't really care if you're gay, if you're straight, if you're trans, if you're confused, if you don't identify with the binary, or anything else and wants to make sure whatever you are that you're safe and free of abuse and condemnation for it.

Party B on the other hand actively tries to enforce only one rigid worldview in regards to sexuality and favors denying the autonomy and freedom to anyone who doesn't fit into it.

Then clowns think Party A is the group guilty of pushing sexualization. Tell me again which of these seems more in line with personal liberty and small government and conservatism?
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party B is telling you which religion to follow, which books to read, which beer you can drink, which recreational resorts you can visit, that your kids being shot in school is just the price of freedom, that everyone delusional wacko has a right to own as many guns as possible, that stand your ground means that if you are on the right side of politics you can justify shooting BLM protesters, and that the truth isn't the truth

 
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