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[Enhance]

@Enhancehere is a recent example of why IMO Sean saying 100 people get NIL so NU is fine comment doesn’t mean much for me is  Utah rolling free truck leases (outside of taxes) to 85 kids. 
 

Again though, this is all trying to be weighed out in a bubble of uncertainty. The trucks are cool from a marketing perspective but it doesn't necessarily prove anything about the overall money being spent and/or the value players are getting. Unless we're setting the bar at getting a leased truck while on scholarship then yeah, sure, NU apparently doesn't have that. And if that make Utah's NIL better than Nebraska's then that's certainly a perspective someone could have, even if it's based on incomplete information.

I don't really have a dog in the fight on the NIL situation other than I think a lot of people (not saying you, just a lot of people) seem to think something's wrong with it because the production on the field isn't meeting their expectations. IMO that's faulty logic. I think it's fair to question if NIL is being handled appropriately but to turn a question into an indictment is a pretty big leap, particularly when NIL is just a piece of the puzzle.

 

[Red Five]

Yes to your first and no to your second. 

get all that you are saying, yet somehow NU is top 10 in profitability of football program, I can post source in a bit, and someone else posted top 15 in brand value (from 2018). 

Do you know that the university itself can't pay for NIL?  It all has to come from donations.

Saying that we need to be paying more in NIL = complaining about people not donating enough.

And I believe I said we could be a top 5-10 program, but I see us more likely in the 10-15 range.  Which isn't bad when there are 130 FBS schools!

 

[Archy1221]

I find it hard to believe that we can sustain a top 5 NIL based on dollars (5-10, maybe).  Sure Nebraska fans are rabid, but it is a small state (37th nationally in population, WV is the only state with a smaller population with a P5 school).  We have a small alumni base compared to other P5 schools (Nebraska is 13th in the B1G in enrollment).  Sure we have large "donor's of substance", but what I am getting at is that there is just a smaller base for donations compared to an Ohio St or Texas (and not to mention other areas of the country have more lucrative businesses like Oil $$$ in Texas).

I would add to this that as of 2021 NU was only behind Auburn in coaching dead money and we fired Frost  and owe him

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32552130/schools-spent-5336-million-dead-money?platform=amp

plus add  on top Rhule getting 9 million on average which puts NU near the very top on money spent on coaching salaries combining the average yearly dead money plus Rhules money 

https://theathletic.com/4928866/2023/10/04/college-football-coaching-salaries-until-saturday/?amp=1
 

So why can a school that is hamstrung as much as you say, able to pay near or at the top on coaches but not on field talent (if they are t already?) 

 

[Mavric]

I get all that you are saying, yet somehow NU is top 10 in profitability of football program, I can post source in a bit, and someone else posted top 15 in brand value (from 2018). 

Profitability and brand value have nothing to do with NIL.

I would add to this that as of 2021 NU was only behind Auburn in coaching dead money and we fired Frost  and owe him

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32552130/schools-spent-5336-million-dead-money?platform=amp

plus add  on top Rhule getting 9 million on average which puts NU near the very top on money spent on coaching salaries combining the average yearly dead money plus Rhules money 

https://theathletic.com/4928866/2023/10/04/college-football-coaching-salaries-until-saturday/?amp=1
 

So why can a school that is hamstrung as much as you say, able to pay near or at the top on coaches but not on field talent (if they are t already?) 

Again, none of that has anything to do with NIL.

 

[Red Five]

I'm bowing out here because there is no tangible proof that can be offered that our NIL "good" or "bad".  I just feel like people are taking out their frustrations on our football team sucking for 10 years on our current NIL stuff.

Maybe my expectations of having a top 15 NIL program are too low.  I guess I need to be yelling at clouds that we need a top 5 NIL program (and maybe its my acceptance that I will never see Nebraska win another natty that is causing this).

As I said before, I do trust Rhule.  He seems to "get it" in ways that the guys before him didn't.  And he is working with the 1890 every step of the way.  I 100% believe if we were falling behind or needed more money he would come out and say it (like what Fleck did a week ago). 

I don't want to give any credit to the Peeds or Davison, but it seems that 1890 is working much better than ABM before it (probably because it was ran by Frost cronies Lambrecht and Bruning).  

And lastly, for those saying that we aren't paying players enough, toss in a few Hamiltons at https://www.1890nebraska.com/membership-options/

 

[Archy1221]

The trucks are cool from a marketing perspective but it doesn't necessarily prove anything about the overall money being spent and/or the value players are getting.

Agreed, and which is exactly what I’m saying in regards to the Callahan statement.  

 

[ColoradoHusk]

I'm bowing out here because there is no tangible proof that can be offered that our NIL "good" or "bad".  I just feel like people are taking out their frustrations on our football team sucking for 10 years on our current NIL stuff.

Maybe my expectations of having a top 15 NIL program are too low.  I guess I need to be yelling at clouds that we need a top 5 NIL program (and maybe its my acceptance that I will never see Nebraska win another natty that is causing this).

As I said before, I do trust Rhule.  He seems to "get it" in ways that the guys before him didn't.  And he is working with the 1890 every step of the way.  I 100% believe if we were falling behind or needed more money he would come out and say it (like what Fleck did a week ago). 

I don't want to give any credit to the Peeds or Davison, but it seems that 1890 is working much better than ABM before it (probably because it was ran by Frost cronies Lambrecht and Bruning).  

And lastly, for those saying that we aren't paying players enough, toss in a few Hamiltons at https://www.1890nebraska.com/membership-options/

All the talk about NIL and how it’s the magic elixir for all our ills gives me tired head. 

 

[Archy1221]

o you know that the university itself can't pay for NIL? 

Yes

Saying that we need to be paying more in NIL = complaining about people not donating enough.

Yet it doesn’t.  You do understand that donor money goes to a lot of different places (like buying out 2 weeks of Frost for millions of dollars) and someone/‘s could point out that donor money could possibly be better spent on helping attract on field talent.  It’s called a reallocation of resources in some cases. 

 

 

[Archy1221]

Profitability and brand value have nothing to do with NIL.

I think everyone understands that and I didn’t make that insinuating.   It was posted in regards to something totally different (small state Nebraska) 

 

[JJ Husker]

Yes to your first and no to your second. 
 

I get all that you are saying, yet somehow NU is top 10 in profitability of football program, I can post source in a bit, and someone else posted top 15 in brand value (from 2018). 
 

And how does that $200-$300k for our top players compare to top players on top 15 teams?  I don’t know, but reports (which all anyone goes on says the top QB’s get more) 

I don’t know s#!t but the word on the street when Dylan R. chose UGA was that Nebraska’s NIL package for him was in the $8-$9M range. I sort of assume that numbers like $200-$300K are an average or base and not what we would be doing for the top players. But like I said, I don’t know. And that’s sort of the problem with this whole deal. The info really doesn’t exist and isn’t intended for us to know.

 

[Mavric]

I think everyone understands that and I didn’t make that insinuating.   It was posted in regards to something totally different (small state Nebraska) 

I don't think you do, considering this discussion is all about NIL and you posed it in response to someone saying they didn't think we could sustain being top 10 in NIL.

 

[Archy1221]

Again, none of that has anything to do with NIL.

Again, I didn’t make that case as you know from the post it was replied to (small state Nebraska, limited resource Nebraska) 

However, in the case of buyouts it could in a round about way 
 

 

[Archy1221]

I don't think you do, considering this discussion is all about NIL and you posed it in response to someone saying they didn't think we could sustain being top 10 in NIL.

I’m quite certain I do.  BTW that person didn’t say we couldn’t  sustain top 10 in NIL  :dunno   His words below….

“I find it hard to believe that we can sustain a top 5 NIL based on dollars (5-10, maybe)”

“And I believe I said we could be a top 5-10 program”

I posed it in response to comment about Nebraska being a small state.   It’s likely  you missed my earlier comment about blowing it out for a few years and settle in the top 5-10 range, which the two in the discussion agreed was possible.  

 

[Undone]

When NIL started, almost every article about it said this would give Nebraska an advantage.  I can only speak for myself, but I take that as an advantage over the other perennial top 25-30 teams and not an advantage over Alcorn State or Northern Illinois.

I took it to mean something more in the middle of those two thing you mentioned - an advantage over the other Teams in the West not named Wisconsin.

And I think it still could be, except of course now the divisions will change and even if we do get to that place where we were with Bo and the Illinois' & Minnesota's were more automatic wind each year, it may not mean as much to our final record.

 

[admo]

All the talk about NIL and how it’s the magic elixir for all our ills gives me tired head. 

What's the Time??!!

- IT'S TIME TO GET iLL !!

What's the Time??!!

- IT'S TIME TO GET iLL !!

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