Roe v Wade overturned????? Draft says so

Do you agree wt the draft majority opinion

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 20.0%

  • No

    Votes: 28 80.0%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    35
Archy1221 said:
Dude, I’m responding to a survey that neither Trump nor a sheep posted on here.   A survey that says 29% of people are disgustingly fine with no limits on abortion.  Once again, this isn’t hard to know what’s that means.  Whether it happens to one baby, 10, 100, or 10,000 being aborted while healthy and viable while mother is healthy, 30 days or hell even 60 days prior to birth is a disgusting thought that it’s even an option. 
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You're responding about a survey, while repeating what Trump and his sheep have been spewing for a long time.  They are even claiming liberals want post birth abortions....which don't even exist.  I've shown you that abortions moments before birth don't even exist, but here we are and you're still arguing about it.

Archy1221 said:
How was it settled?  By what mechanism?  And I assume you mean by SCOTUS, which had no right to settle abortion back then and it was correctly overturned.  
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Because the abortions you are crying about didn't exist and they have been illegal in the US during that time........and literally nobody other than maybe an extreme few wackos were arguing for.

This entire issue is a made up campaign issue from the right and you just can't help yourself from promoting it farther.

 
Archy1221 said:
Dude, I’m responding to a survey that neither Trump nor a sheep posted on here.   A survey that says 29% of people are disgustingly fine with no limits on abortion.  Once again, this isn’t hard to know what’s that means.  Whether it happens to one baby, 10, 100, or 10,000 being aborted while healthy and viable while mother is healthy, 30 days or hell even 60 days prior to birth is a disgusting thought that it’s even an option. 
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My dude….

There is a difference between 29% of Americans being okay with “in all cases” (in a place and time where late term abortions are basically nonexistent) and that same 29% being okay with, or in only your imagination, being eager to abort babies moments before natural birth. You just don’t want to acknowledge it because it leaves your strawman naked on a pole.

 
BigRedBuster said:
And, prior to Dobbs, this was settled and I really don't hardly ever remember anyone even discussing it anymore.  Congrats!!!!  Your side got what they wanted with late term abortions....create a controversy where there isn't any.
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Not only that but it makes it harder for doctors to do their job and parents/mothers to grieve when an actual abortion is necessary. Based on what Archy wants here he's obviously never had to go through the pain of experiencing an abortion with his partner or someone close to him. Instead he makes up $%^& that literally doesn't happen the way he thinks it happens. He wants to be political while other people just want to live their life (who actually affects) without getting punished for things they can't control. 

 
Archy1221 said:
Correct.  
 

Incorrect.   “Legal in all cases” means they can abort the child anytime before natural birth or induced birth in order to have the baby.   
 

Will thousands of people get cold feet 30 days before their due date and go for abortion?  Doubtful, but even having that as an option is quite insane.  As you know. 
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Your logic hurts a lot more people than it protects. Congrats to you on being worse than the actual problem. 

 
Moiraine said:
Yep. You said all the elective rapes (93%) are just because. 

I don’t know why you are suggesting @BigRedBuster saying the abortion of a 9 month healthy fetus just because is the same thing. 
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I suggest you check back to page 57. 

And, if you could, please point out where I said 93% of elective rapes (what the hell even is that) in reference to anything.

 
JJ Husker said:
My dude….

There is a difference between 29% of Americans being okay with “in all cases” (in a place and time where late term abortions are basically nonexistent) and that same 29% being okay with, or in only your imagination, being eager to abort babies moments before natural birth. You just don’t want to acknowledge it because it leaves your strawman naked on a pole.
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You are the only one here who is using a strawman when you incorporate “eager to abort babies”.  It ain’t me my dude.  
 

Probably almost all of them would not personally choose that option, and as you well know by reading the thread, INt point is that 29% believe that it should be shoukd be an option for anyone.   THAT IS WHAT THERE VOTE IN THE SURVEY OK’s.  That’s what I have a problem with.  

 
Archy1221 said:
Yes, full stop.  It’s my view that people are sick when they believe abortion should be legal in all cases.  I believe there has to be some line in the sand.  You can bring in Trump, sheep, the tooth fairy, Santa, Ms. Strawman all you want as it means nothing to me.  
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I’ll try to explain this simply.

Those people you are so sure are sick are choosing between 2 scenarios. 1- where the woman’s and doctors options are severely limited by draconian laws outlawing abortions in almost all situations. The same laws that are giving us story after horror story of how women are being denied proper healthcare for pregnancies gone wrong. And 2- the opposite of that, which leaves any and all healthcare decisions to the woman and their providers.

As much as you want to make it about elective abortions being allowed up to the very end, it just isn’t. Those people are answering “in all cases” to remove the government and inflexible laws from the equation to prevent Betty Lou, who desperately needs (not willy nilly wants) an abortion for health and safety reasons.

These fictitious late third trimester abortions of your conjuring really aren’t and won’t ever be a problem. For sure not a big enough problem that the alternative of not being able to get one when it’s really really needed is worth sacrificing.

 
DevoHusker said:
I covered "elective" abortions with "just because". Haven't we been bombarded with what a woman does with/to her body is nobody else's business and they don't need to justify a reason? How would you classify that...? 

I also gave a nod to the myriad reasons they may make such a choice, without spelling out particulars. That seems to be what pro abortion folks want. 

Not sure why you are calling me dismissive.
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DevoHusker said:
I used to say I was anti abortion. Then I said I was pro life. 

Now, with help from @teachercd

and others, I admit I am pro choice "with restrictions".

Over 90% of abortions fall into the just because category.

I hope that they can somehow codify...safe/legal/rare but allow choice to 10 or 12 weeks...just like the other nations you mentioned.
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DevoHusker said:
I bet you do...but I'll play along.

Somewhere around 7% of abortions are due to rape, incest, or health of the mother.  So over 90% are for the myriad of other reasons chosen to kill the unborn child, which can be referred to as just because...rather than listing the myriad of other reasons.

Or, it means people don't  :dunno
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DevoHusker said:
I suggest you check back to page 57. 

And, if you could, please point out where I said 93% of elective rapes (what the hell even is that) in reference to anything.
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I meant elective abortion, not rape. I guess elective rape would be… ok I’m not going to post that. 

 
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Archy1221 said:
29% of Americans to be exact.   According to the survey 
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Here's the thing. Neither one of us ever want abortions to happen minutes before birth or post birth. (one of us recognizes they actually don't ever happen).

But, if we don't ever want them to happen, the answer is not in legislation, but in improving sex education, contraception availability, healthcare, social services for single mothers, increasing responsibility of baby daddies, improving support for kids in low income households.

But, your party is against all of that because of....OMG....socialism.

None of those things are going to totally take away the need for abortions.  But, like what we have seen since the 70s, it will continue to reduce the need for them.

My hope is that we could reduce them all the way to the ones who NEED them for health reasons.  And, all the statistics point towards the fact we have been moving to that.  But, reducing the NEED includes things other than...oh crap, I'm pregnant, I"m going to go get an abortion.  There are truly serious situations where these procedures are needed and politics should stay out of those instances.

The thing is, your party is using all of this to build more support against all of those other issues.

We need to get off this idiotic discussion about things that never happen and move on to more important issues.

 
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