Democrats "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" Plan - Picking an alternate candidate.

Dr. Strangelove

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The debate that took place on Thursday, June 27th was a terrifying display for America. Not because Joe Biden is old, but because Donad Trump virtually guaranteed his victory.

Joe Biden struggled mightily. While occassiooccasionally making valid points, his raspy voice and talking points did not effectively counter Trump's booming falsehoods. If you did not watch the debate, it went something like this: 

Trump: "10,000 Guatemalans from prisons and insane asylums are ransacking the Lincoln Memorial as we speak"

Biden: "I, ugh, Number one I know Guatema-, ugh, look the fact of the matter is that,  umm, they're good people"

So, in this post, I would like to humbly apologize. In previous posts, I said it was a stupid idea for Democrats to nominate an alternative candidate to Joe Biden. This is because current politicians an incumbency advantage. In a hyper competitive election, voluntarily losing that advantage is a bad strategy. The second problem for Democrats is that no matter who they choose, elements of their coalition will be unhappy. 

So I ask you, which candidate gives Democrats their best chance of winning? Personally, I don't see that candidate emerging in 3 months, uniting the party, building a donor base, and winning. But what do you think? Who's the "Break glass in case of emergency" candidate Democrats should choose? 

 
The debate that took place on Thursday, June 27th was a terrifying display for America. Not because Joe Biden is old, but because Donad Trump virtually guaranteed his victory.

Joe Biden struggled mightily. While occassiooccasionally making valid points, his raspy voice and talking points did not effectively counter Trump's booming falsehoods. If you did not watch the debate, it went something like this: 

Trump: "10,000 Guatemalans from prisons and insane asylums are ransacking the Lincoln Memorial as we speak"

Biden: "I, ugh, Number one I know Guatema-, ugh, look the fact of the matter is that,  umm, they're good people"

So, in this post, I would like to humbly apologize. In previous posts, I said it was a stupid idea for Democrats to nominate an alternative candidate to Joe Biden. This is because current politicians an incumbency advantage. In a hyper competitive election, voluntarily losing that advantage is a bad strategy. The second problem for Democrats is that no matter who they choose, elements of their coalition will be unhappy. 

So I ask you, which candidate gives Democrats their best chance of winning? Personally, I don't see that candidate emerging in 3 months, uniting the party, building a donor base, and winning. But what do you think? Who's the "Break glass in case of emergency" candidate Democrats should choose? 
Anyone.  Literally, anyone.

Last night was absolutely horrible for Biden.

 
At the State of the Union is looked and sounded AWESOME, 100% looked and sounded awesome.  
He also looked and sounded okay at an after the debate rally.

An alternative to Biden has maybe a 25% chance to win, so Democrats need to weigh whether or not an alternative candidate has a higher chance than that. It's close. 

 
He also looked and sounded okay at an after the debate rally.

An alternative to Biden has maybe a 25% chance to win, so Democrats need to weigh whether or not an alternative candidate has a higher chance than that. It's close. 
I did not see that, I went to bed.

I really think that either his meds were messed up OR, with what you just said, his meds were giving to him too late to really kick in.  

I see it in schools.  Kids that take meds and they are a different kid in the morning compared to the afternoon.

 
I did not see that, I went to bed.

I really think that either his meds were messed up OR, with what you just said, his meds were giving to him too late to really kick in.  

I see it in schools.  Kids that take meds and they are a different kid in the morning compared to the afternoon.
Guys, the meds talk is just weird. That isn't the issue. 

His talk after the debate was pre-scripted talking points that are easy to deliver. In the debate he was trying to focus on hours of material and talking points he struggled to focus on. 

 
My vote remains the same- the Dems could run  Hippo the Clown and I'd vote for him over fraudster, authoritarian, narcistic, criminal, felon, rapist, lying Trump.  

I don't know how they recover from last night.  I saw an article where the Bidens are already brushing off the performance and the talk of replacing Uncle Joe.   I would prefer Mi Gov Whitmer over Newsom.  California will vote for the Dem candidate regardless.  Whitmer insures that Michigan would vote Dem.  I think she is battled tested by some of the MAGA stuff that has gone on in her state.  She would secure the female vote and she may have some influence over some of those other important Midwest states - at least name recognition.  

A January article may prove to be prophetic (quoted in part):

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/how-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-could-win-white-house-year

  • Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is backing President Joe Biden’s re-election while garnering national attention of her own

    [*]Experts say Whitmer could be a top pick to replace Biden should he bow out by the August nomination convention

    [*]Whitmer is writing a book and raising funds for federal candidates, fueling speculation she’ll run for president at some point

    [*]
    How Whitmer could win the White House this year


    Whitmer insists she has no interest in replacing Biden on the ticket this fall, but experts say the governor could be a top pick for Democrats should the president still decide — or be forced — to bow out of the race.

    While primary ballots in Michigan and many other states have already been finalized, Democrats could theoretically anoint an alternative candidate at their national nominating convention, set for Chicago in August. 

    Democrats haven’t had a convention-based election since 1968, when President Lyndon B. Johnson opted against re-election and delegates nominated Vice President Hubert Humphrey even though he had not won a single state primary.

    If Biden dropped out before Chicago, Whitmer or any other candidates would need to secure 300 delegate signatures to be considered in a floor vote at the convention, according to Democratic National Committee rules. 

    It’s “extraordinarily unlikely,” but “in a scenario like that, Whitmer would be on the shortlist of the shortlist” of replacement candidates, said Adrian Hemond, a Democratic strategist with the Grassroots Midwest consulting firm in Lansing. 

    It’s also a possible scenario for Republicans as Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the GOP nomination, approaches his 78th birthday while battling criminal charges, including a federal indictment stemming from his failed bid to overturn his 2020 election losses in Michigan and other states.

    Biding her time as a team player for the Democratic Party could ultimately be beneficial for Whitmer – even if Biden ends up losing this fall, Hemond said. 

    “The American people, in public opinion poll after public opinion poll, have made clear that they do not want a rematch,” between Biden and Trump, he said. “And that means the governor – assuming her book comes out in a timely fashion – is going to be really well positioned to say ‘I told you so’ if Biden loses.”

    Biden has trailed Trump in several early polls of swing state voters, including in Michigan, where one recent survey had the president trailing the former president by 8 percentage points. The same poll showed Whitmer 5 points ahead of Trump in her home state, which has played a key role in recent contests.

    Biden is "in deep trouble in Michigan,” said Richard Czuba, who heads the Glengariff Group Inc. polling firm that conducted the survey. “At some point, I wonder if Democrats are going to realize that and do something about it.”

    The speculation that Biden might drop out late and pave the way for Whitmer or some other candidate at the convention appears to be mostly just “wishful thinking” from Democrats wary of a grueling election cycle, Czuba said. 

    But, he noted, “Biden comes from an era where these things were decided at conventions. He was around (in 1968) when Lyndon Johnson announced in March he wasn't going to run and it threw the Democratic race wide open.”

    However unlikely, “there is 100% no doubt that Whitmer is preparing” for the possibility of a convention election, said Sellek, the founder of Harbor Strategic Public Affairs in Lansing. 

    “I think she's clearly pursuing all angles, as if she could be running this time.”


    ‘Ain’t no way’


    Whitmer has seen the polling suggesting she could be a better candidate to take on Trump, at least in Michigan. But she’s laughing it off for now, publicly anyway. 

    “I don’t even know why they asked the question,” the governor told Bridge, “because there ain’t no way.”

    Democrats aren't panicking about Biden's polling because "nobody's paying attention" 10 months out from the election, said Jonathan Kinloch, a vice chair for the Michigan Democratic Party and chair of its 13th Congressional District. 

    Biden will win re-election once voters again see the "stark differences" to Trump, and Whitmer will be a "dynamic" contender come 2028, he predicted. 

    Republicans in Lansing have tried to use Whitmer’s rising political star against her, routinely dismissing her policy proposals as attempts to garner favor with national Democratic Party insiders, donors or voters. 

    "It's all about public relations," Senate Minority Leader Aric Nesbitt, R-Porter Township, said Wednesday after Whitmer used her sixth annual State of the State address to propose free community college, universal preschool and unveil plans to spend $1.4  billion on affordable housing initiatives. 

    "She's trying to be in the waiting wings, seeing if Biden's actually going to be the nominee after the convention," Nesbitt speculated. “She seems to be loading up on these promises and then leaving the bill to the next Legislature and governor.”

    Whitmer denied a recent report that she’d signed a “seven-figure” book deal, but the governor acknowledged she may still publish a book this year, which would give her another opportunity to connect with a national audience. 

    “Not like a memoir or anything like that – nobody got time for that – but I’ve taken notes, and if I feel like I’ve got something to share, I might do that,” she told Bridge.

    The governor in June launched a federal political action committee to raise funds for other candidates. She reported $171,000 in donations in the first month and announced an initial round of endorsements in December, backing mostly Midwest members of Congress seeking re-election. 



 
If I’m the DNC, I’m having a conference call with Prtizker, Whitmer, Shapiro and Beshear today. As smooth as Gavin is, I think you need a rust belt Dem. 

 
My vote remains the same- the Dems could run  Hippo the Clown and I'd vote for him over fraudster, authoritarian, narcistic, criminal, felon, rapist, lying Trump.  

I don't know how they recover from last night.  I saw an article where the Bidens are already brushing off the performance and the talk of replacing Uncle Joe.   I would prefer Mi Gov Whitmer over Newsom.  California will vote for the Dem candidate regardless.  Whitmer insures that Michigan would vote Dem.  I think she is battled tested by some of the MAGA stuff that has gone on in her state.  She would secure the female vote and she may have some influence over some of those other important Midwest states - at least name recognition.  

A January article may prove to be prophetic (quoted in part):

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/how-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-could-win-white-house-year


It is crazy to think that Joe being stubborn might be the reason that DT becomes President.  

 
If I’m the DNC, I’m having a conference call with Prtizker, Whitmer, Shapiro and Beshear today. As smooth as Gavin is, I think you need a rust belt Dem. 
Agree.   They need to shore up the rust belt first.  They already have Calif in the bag.   Perhaps Whitmer with a southern Dem like NC gov Cooper.  I do like the idea of a Whitmer - Beshear ticket. Beshear would have influence in the southern (if not deep south) states and comes across as somewhat moderate. 

 
Whitmer would be fine, but the fact that she's a woman, and her personality, will be off-putting to some. Plus I hate the f#&%ing Michigan accent!

The 6 years she has been governor have been good though, outside of the layoffs going on in the Automotive sector but that's not really anything she can control. The management of COVID was a little overbearing and there's the small scandal of her husband trying to get his boat out and her flying to see her parents, but that's nothing really.

The transformation of the roads and Detroit itself has been remarkable though! 

 
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