What did we learn

Would like to be able to see the routes develop here but it seems to be a really nice concept with receivers at three levels, including a late release short.


 
knapplc said:
If you watch the replay, check out their LT holding our rush end (couldn't see his number) on that play. 

There had to be ten holding calls they didn't throw a flag on in that game. Ridiculous when there were six sacks and a dozen more pressures. 
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Yes, our group at the Okla Cornhusker Club were yelling at the ref from 387 miles away - ok via the TVs. It was pretty obvious that the Big 12 refs were following the A&M example years ago. 

Regarding the LT # 77 - if he was in the act of putting hands to the face as well - and then just wrapped him up - otherwise that was going to be a potential sack/safety. 



 
Mavric said:
I'm sure some people think I'm anti-Dowdell.  That's not the case.  But I also think some people get so hyped up at seeing a back run over someone that they think that is the greatest thing any back could do.

This play is a good example of what I've been saying.  He runs hard.  That is absolutely true.  And that counts for a lot.

But it also means he really only gets what the line blocks for him (plus a little fall-forward on the tackle).  There was a great seam created by the line.  And he burst through it and finished the run.  But any attempt to make one guy miss probably gets at least a few more yards and maybe a lot.  Instead, all he does is try to hit the first guy that he sees.  He doesn't even try to get the extra yards.
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What I do like about him is he hits the holes at full speed which allows him to get to the 2nd level.  What I'm  hopeful for is that this can be used as a setup.  Game film says hes just gonna try to run you over.  Now next time the safety drops his head to go low or absorb the blow but he cuts left or right.  I always preferred to tackle guys who tried to run you over.  Just take the legs and hold on for dear life. Play over.  Hopefully he gets shiftier 

 
Mavric said:
I'm sure some people think I'm anti-Dowdell.  That's not the case.  But I also think some people get so hyped up at seeing a back run over someone that they think that is the greatest thing any back could do.

This play is a good example of what I've been saying.  He runs hard.  That is absolutely true.  And that counts for a lot.

But it also means he really only gets what the line blocks for him (plus a little fall-forward on the tackle).  There was a great seam created by the line.  And he burst through it and finished the run.  But any attempt to make one guy miss probably gets at least a few more yards and maybe a lot.  Instead, all he does is try to hit the first guy that he sees.  He doesn't even try to get the extra yards.
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I wouldn't really use that play as an example. He's specifically ran right at Shilo to send a message and he even said that. He knows who 21 is, it's early in the 1st quarter and it was time to make a statement. I'm fine with that. Plus he scored on the next play.

He also stiff armed the s#!t out of a guy later and got around the edge for a big gain before lowering his shoulder going out of bounds.

 
ZRod said:
I wouldn't really use that play as an example. He's specifically ran right at Shilo to send a message and he even said that. He knows who 21 is, it's early in the 1st quarter and it was time to make a statement. I'm fine with that. Plus he scored on the next play.

He also stiff armed the s#!t out of a guy later and got around the edge for a big gain before lowering his shoulder going out of bounds.
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He not only scored on the next play, Hunter didn’t want anything to do with him. 
 

Message sent. 

 
IMO Dowdell is a lot harder to bring down than Johnson. Occasionally Johnson will break a tackle but Dowdell will push the pile. Him trucking people will set up hurdle plays as DBs try to go low to tackle him.

 
ZRod said:
I wouldn't really use that play as an example. He's specifically ran right at Shilo to send a message and he even said that. He knows who 21 is, it's early in the 1st quarter and it was time to make a statement. I'm fine with that. Plus he scored on the next play.

He also stiff armed the s#!t out of a guy later and got around the edge for a big gain before lowering his shoulder going out of bounds.
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That's what he does on most every play

 
There’s a great story of Ahman Green with the Packers where he coulda ripped a 40+ yard TD, instead it was like a 12-15 yard first down and tackled by DB. Coach called him out about it I believe when they were chopping up film following the game.
 

Coach said he coulda made one cut and free to the endzone. Green replied how prior to that run the DB was disrespectful so Green ran his a$$ down at the first opportunity and when through him to make a point. 

 
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Mavric said:
Receivers are a little too bunched for my taste but great patience by DR to wait to find the right guy.
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Great example of what I had been pondering and then looking to break down once the season started.

You almost have to roll Raiola out on a formation like this if it's a designed passing play. Otherwise, how does the field open up?

It's honestly really not my favorite. But, I think it was all about working Raiola into the speed of the college game.

Let's have Barney in on this formation and motion all the way out to the sideline and see how that opens up the field.    :)

 
ZRod said:
I wouldn't really use that play as an example. He's specifically ran right at Shilo to send a message and he even said that. He knows who 21 is, it's early in the 1st quarter and it was time to make a statement. I'm fine with that. Plus he scored on the next play.

He also stiff armed the s#!t out of a guy later and got around the edge for a big gain before lowering his shoulder going out of bounds.
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Here are (most?) all his runs from the other day.  I think only one time does the first guy to hit him not bring him down.  He has the one great stiff arm ... then runs right into the second guy.

Yes, he is dishing out some punishment along the way.  But that's a tough way to make a living.  And make yards.


 
Mavric said:
Would like to be able to see the routes develop here but it seems to be a really nice concept with receivers at three levels, including a late release short.
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I'm pretty certain this is a concept commonly referred to as scat, some simply refer to it as corner.  It's a triangle concept, basically a 3 man smash route. 

The #2 receiver runs a corner, #3 (often the RB) runs a variety of routes to the flat (in this case an arrow), and #1 typically runs a snag, which is a hitch.  Essentially, #1 releases inside to the line of the #2, #2 & #3 hi-low to the line of the #1.  This is run deeper than your typical scat and the snag route is replaced with a curl/hook.  It's possible they see it as a simple curl/flat concept with an extra WR, but either way he's running the corner since it's clear he didn't run post control.  

 
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Mavric said:
Would like to be able to see the routes develop here but it seems to be a really nice concept with receivers at three levels, including a late release short.
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This is almost 3.5 seconds to release.  Would like to get it 3.0 or below 

 
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