Those No Longer With Us

Wistrom Disciple said:
Sure... except for the Youngstown State appearance in the FCS national championship game in his second year. Could argue that the every modicum line could apply to our program in the years that followed.
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That's true - he did have 1 good season in FCS. And didn't win more than 6 games any of his other seasons.

 
Wistrom Disciple said:
Funny thing is... Nebraska was the same way ongoing now for nearly a decade. 
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He got to the playoffs in large part because some of his Nebraska players went with him to Youngstown. When they were gone, his defense was so predictable even FBS teams figured him out, and he was doing worse there than at Nebraska. Then he went to LSU where EVERYONE had figured out his defense, and LSU had their worst defensive performance in decades. We all watched that happen.

This fantasy people have that he would be here still, and still winning nine games, isn't even supported by his own coaching record. He didn't want to be here, but no one else would take him.

 
Wistrom Disciple said:
After the last decade without him, anyone thinking it was a good thing to let him go and we were better off without him is crazy IMO.  
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It was the right thing to let him go and we are better off without him.  That is not to say I am happy with our performance over the last decade- that is another conversation entirely.  Our hiring decisions were poor post Bo, but that has nothing to do with the conversation imo.  There are a pile of other programs that would love 9+ win seasons and he didn't even get a sniff from them- that has to let everyone know that we let him go at the right time imo.    

 
Wistrom Disciple said:
If plateau means playing in a conference title game 3 out of 7 years across two conferences... well sign me up. Yes, I understand the embarrassing losses were frustrating and no one enjoyed that losing. But I think it's safe to say that we would gladly take a once or twice a year beatdown against good teams and largely beat the mediocre or bad teams; than play close and still lose to the big names while having to battle and often lose to the likes of Northwestern, Maryland, Indiana, etc. 

After the last decade without him, anyone thinking it was a good thing to let him go and we were better off without him is crazy IMO.  

Sure... except for the Youngstown State appearance in the FCS national championship game in his second year. Could argue that the every modicum line could apply to our program in the years that followed.
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No doubt we would coronate Rhule if he delivered a 9 win season this year. Or next year. Don't even need to be in the Big 10 mix. Just a bowl game. Expectations have certainly cratered. In the most literal way, we have been worse without Bo.  

But if you went back to 2014 and told Nebraska fans that Bo Pelini would never get over that next hump, and we should be content with 9 wins, a couple embarrassing beatdowns, a mid-tier bowl game, and either barely cracking the Top 25 or finishing out of it entirely, I don't think you'd get many takers. Understandably so. 

If you're suggesting that Nebraska made a mistake, Youngstown State made the same mistake three seasons faster, and LSU made the same mistake in one season, and not a single team stepped in to take advantage of all these programs mistakenly letting Bo Pelini go. 

 
knapplc said:
He got to the playoffs in large part because some of his Nebraska players went with him to Youngstown. When they were gone, his defense was so predictable even FBS teams figured him out, and he was doing worse there than at Nebraska. Then he went to LSU where EVERYONE had figured out his defense, and LSU had their worst defensive performance in decades. We all watched that happen.

This fantasy people have that he would be here still, and still winning nine games, isn't even supported by his own coaching record. He didn't want to be here, but no one else would take him.
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Funny thing is no one on this thread, or multiple other threads I have read, seems to think he shouldn’t have been fired.  You are trying to argue with the wind. 
 

but just because,-you have stinkin thinkin.

He was with LSU for the Covid year- doesn’t count. He wasn’t the head coach - double doesn’t count. His first HC gig was with Nebraska- and he was VERY successful for seven years-which is a ridiculously long time compared to successors- so your reasoning triple doesn’t count.  
 

just because he was fired from a one-year job during a pandemic five years removed from winning nine games a year over a seven year tenure, does not prove he isn’t  a good coach.  
 

now what about Bob Diaco?  Is he a good coach?  He’s currently with LSU so he must be. 

 
knapplc said:
He got to the playoffs in large part because some of his Nebraska players went with him to Youngstown. When they were gone, his defense was so predictable even FBS teams figured him out, and he was doing worse there than at Nebraska. Then he went to LSU where EVERYONE had figured out his defense, and LSU had their worst defensive performance in decades. We all watched that happen.
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The 2016 YSU team had 2? former Huskers... The LSU squad was the Covid year after Burrow where there was something like 2-3 returning starters and none on defense. For reference, the rest of the LSU coaching staff was let go within the 15ish months of his firing at LSU... in short, it was a burning boat when he hopped on.

Hilltop said:
It was the right thing to let him go and we are better off without him.  That is not to say I am happy with our performance over the last decade- that is another conversation entirely.  Our hiring decisions were poor post Bo, but that has nothing to do with the conversation imo.  There are a pile of other programs that would love 9+ win seasons and he didn't even get a sniff from them- that has to let everyone know that we let him go at the right time imo.    
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By what metric? Winning seasons, bowl games, NFL draft picks? Since I cannot find a single metric that shows we are better off without him, I'm going to chalk it up as your opinion is largely based on 'vibes' and feelings. Personally, I prefer to have a program and coach that wins. We suffered through a long decade after the decision to fire Bo. Without Dylan Raiola's surprise commitment, it could be argued that we would still be suffering. 

Guy Chamberlin said:
No doubt we would coronate Rhule if he delivered a 9 win season this year. Or next year. Don't even need to be in the Big 10 mix. Just a bowl game. Expectations have certainly cratered. In the most literal way, we have been worse without Bo.  

But if you went back to 2014 and told Nebraska fans that Bo Pelini would never get over that next hump, and we should be content with 9 wins, a couple embarrassing beatdowns, a mid-tier bowl game, and either barely cracking the Top 25 or finishing out of it entirely, I don't think you'd get many takers. Understandably so. 

If you're suggesting that Nebraska made a mistake, Youngstown State made the same mistake three seasons faster, and LSU made the same mistake in one season, and not a single team stepped in to take advantage of all these programs mistakenly letting Bo Pelini go. 
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I'm glad you see it as well. Regarding the never getting over the hump, I think most would take a upper to middle of the pack situation versus what we've endured since Bo's firing. I think Nebraska made a mistake in that time frame and largely because of the egos of our AD and Chancellor. Had support been fully behind Bo, I think we would have seen sustained success (ie. 8+ wins a year for awhile). I am hopeful that Rhule can continue building and we see sustained success ahead. 

 
Wistrom Disciple said:
I'm glad you see it as well. Regarding the never getting over the hump, I think most would take a upper to middle of the pack situation versus what we've endured since Bo's firing. I think Nebraska made a mistake in that time frame and largely because of the egos of our AD and Chancellor. Had support been fully behind Bo, I think we would have seen sustained success (ie. 8+ wins a year for awhile). I am hopeful that Rhule can continue building and we see sustained success ahead. 
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Well if we knew now what we knew then, we'd probably change our minds about lots of things. 

Again, whatever we might think about Eichorst and Perleman, the AD and Chancellor at every other college program could have swooped in and taken advantage of their misplaced egos and impatience. They did not. This wasn't a Nebraska thing. It was a major college football thing. 

Some folks say too much was made about the two leaked tapes, but I think they revealed the real Bo. It wasn't that he swore or used mean words. It's just that he was a self-absorbed a$$h@!e. I think the second tape, the speech he made to his team upon his firing, was the worst. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Well if we knew now what we knew then, we'd probably change our minds about lots of things. 

Again, whatever we might think about Eichorst and Perleman, the AD and Chancellor at every other college program could have swooped in and taken advantage of their misplaced egos and impatience. They did not. This wasn't a Nebraska thing. It was a major college football thing. 

Some folks say too much was made about the two leaked tapes, but I think they revealed the real Bo. It wasn't that he swore or used mean words. It's just that he was a self-absorbed a$$h@!e. I think the second tape, the speech he made to his team upon his firing, was the worst. 
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That is kind of the point. Anyone who still thinks letting Pelini go was the right move after seeing how the past decade played out is crazy to me. I would have much rather let go of Eichorst & Perlman as neither appear to have demonstrably improved the University. And, in many ways, likely contributed to a regression both in athletics and academics.

I would 1000x over take a real Bo Pelini than a politically correct Mike Riley or a spineless Eichorst & Perlman. Bo spoke the truth that too many were afraid to admit. He didn't hate the fans, he just didn't give a $#!8 about the fraction of the fanbase who were fair weather fans or the media members who pushed the new coach narrative.  

 
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If you want to whine about past history, Solich.  Bo is still an a$$h@!e.  My buddy who is a Husker fan ran into him a while back.  He was being an a$$ to everyone at a Starbucks in Youngstown.  He treated everyone in the athletic department like this.  He was fired becasue he was an a$$h@!e.  And he still is.

 
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krc1995 said:
Funny thing is no one on this thread, or multiple other threads I have read, seems to think he shouldn’t have been fired.  You are trying to argue with the wind. 
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I... feel like you're making an argument that we would be better off in the year of our lord 2024 if we had kept Bo this whole time? Am I mistaken? Am I the wind? Are you the wind? Is Johnny Rodgers the wind that just blew past us?

 
krc1995 said:
Funny thing is no one on this thread, or multiple other threads I have read, seems to think he shouldn’t have been fired.  You are trying to argue with the wind. 
 

but just because,-you have stinkin thinkin.

He was with LSU for the Covid year- doesn’t count. He wasn’t the head coach - double doesn’t count. His first HC gig was with Nebraska- and he was VERY successful for seven years-which is a ridiculously long time compared to successors- so your reasoning triple doesn’t count.  
 

just because he was fired from a one-year job during a pandemic five years removed from winning nine games a year over a seven year tenure, does not prove he isn’t  a good coach.  
 

now what about Bob Diaco?  Is he a good coach?  He’s currently with LSU so he must be. 
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I for one don’t think Bo should have been fired.  Otherwise, great post!

 
funhusker said:
I for one don’t think Bo should have been fired.
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Crusader Husker said:
If you want to whine about past history, Solich.  Bo is still an a$$h@!e.  My buddy who is a Husker fan ran into him a while back.  He was being an a$$ to everyone at a Starbucks in Youngstown.  He treated everyone in the athletic department like this.  He was fired becasue he was an a$$h@!e.  And he still is.
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I'd gladly take an a$$h@!e that wins over a nice guy that doesn't. 

 
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