Program Builder?

[admo]

Who else was dying to come to Nebraska?  With a rich tradition of success and wholesomeness.

Frost was chugging beers and whacking off to any chick that brought him a beer in golf lounges

Mickey Joseph got arrested because he wife was banging the neighbor, and Mickey was not happy about it

Mike Riley was the last coach to beat a top 10 team and get Nebraska into the Top 10.... before the wheels completely fell off in year 3 and got Fired.

Bo Pelini was threatening the hand that fed him to fire him.  He tried punching a ref with his $2 hat.  Called the fans and media members mother f#&%ers and told everyone to kiss his f#&%ing a$$.  His brother Carl tried to kill anyone that was wearing A&M after a game in College Station.  Bo also wanted to kick Taylor Martinez a$$ that day too... for sending a text to his gf that his ankle wasn't broken.  

And Billy Callahan "had it up to here" against OU, then called them f#&%ing hillbillies.  But also told Nebraskans to go read the NY Times and be more educated.  

Compared to those guys, I think Rhule is a breath of fresh air.  

 

[lo country]

You remember when Frost got fired and Busch took over the D?  They looked like a completely different squad in 2-3 weeks.

Im not asking for anyone to get fired, but it’d be nice if they changed a few things up.

Sit in a room and figure something out.  Do something different.  

So much this!  No reason Rhule can't do something similar. If he is the Program Builder he should recognize that change is needed.  

 

[Nebhawk]

These coaches make too much money.  I wonder how many really care about the jobs they are hired to do.  Not saying Rhule doesn't care, but does he care as much as he did when coaching Temple making little to no money compared to his last 3 jobs making bank?

I am not calling for Rhule's job.  I. think he is a very good coach, but I haven't seen enough proof this team is turning the corner.  

How many coaches are we going to hire, and then want the OC and or DC fired?  Everyone so far since T.O..  Everyone who has come here seems like we are getting the 2nd rate assistants.  We are not getting the cream of the crop on either side not to mention we can't hire a special teams coach.

 

[Nebhawk]

Who else was dying to come to Nebraska?  With a rich tradition of success and wholesomeness.

Frost was chugging beers and whacking off to any chick that brought him a beer in golf lounges

Mickey Joseph got arrested because he wife was banging the neighbor, and Mickey was not happy about it

Mike Riley was the last coach to beat a top 10 team and get Nebraska into the Top 10.... before the wheels completely fell off in year 3 and got Fired.

Bo Pelini was threatening the hand that fed him to fire him.  He tried punching a ref with his $2 hat.  Called the fans and media members mother f#&%ers and told everyone to kiss his f#&%ing a$$.  His brother Carl tried to kill anyone that was wearing A&M after a game in College Station.  Bo also wanted to kick Taylor Martinez a$$ that day too... for sending a text to his gf that his ankle wasn't broken.  

And Billy Callahan "had it up to here" against OU, then called them f#&%ing hillbillies.  But also told Nebraskans to go read the NY Times and be more educated.  

Compared to those guys, I think Rhule is a breath of fresh air.  

I would agree with this take.  I do however also consider that this program is not changing.  Its the same program we had 20 years ago, and now 5 coaches ago.  That is concerning.  Its concerning that we still haven't found that coach with the IT Factor.  Right now I would consider this program in the bottom half of the Power 4 pool of teams right now.  Relevance is gone.

Were not your fathers or grandfathers Cornhusker team.  Were not even Solich level teams yet.  Were no closer to being relevant today than we were back in 2016.  Only thing we have been successful at is making some guys very rich for at least trying.

 

[Husker03]

I think it just takes some honest eyes to try to sort through this.   

#1) Rhule says the players here are his. He backs this up all last year by working with the men left from the Frost regime. He abandons none of them, keeps most of them, vows to work to develop them.

#2) Rhule vows to develop the players that want to play here. He recruits the best he can given the horrible results of the past 8 years. He brings those players in and starts to work towards developing them. 

#3) Year 2 starts.  Very few transfers are out there on the field. It is mostly the guys from Frost's regime that he has not forsaken and that have not moved on to better programs. Basically, the few stars that Frost had, (Hausman) have left and Rhule is committed to working with the ones that, if we are being honest, did not have better offers. He sprinkles in a couple transfer receivers and some true freshman.  The highs look good! The lows look not near as good.

#4) This is a team likely a 35-40 ranked team. For everybody else in the country, that means that sometimes you play a 30-35 ranked team like Colorado and the "high's" come out and you beat them big.  It also means, sometimes you play a 20-25 ranked team in Illinois and it's a dog fight you lose in OT. It means that sometimes you play a top 10-15 team in Indiana on one of their "high's" and you get boat raced, because you are not as good a team as them.  

While I wish that Rhule was more magic than he has shown to be so far in the coaching department, I think it is too early to be too upset with him for the way he has approached the rebuild. He intentionally wants to do it the "right" way. He wants to build the foundation. Nebraskan's want him to do it the "right" way.  We can't get all excited about the method in the offseason and say we understand it will take time and we will be patient, and then get pissed mid-season when it isn't going fast enough for us.

 

[DefenderAO]

So much this!  No reason Rhule can't do something similar. If he is the Program Builder he should recognize that change is needed.  

There's a subplot within program builder that will be interesting to follow.  Rhule has not had a turnaround story, or material success, against top level coaches in the highest echelons of football.

1. Rhule is 2-26(?) against top 25 teams in his career.  There are losses in there when he was at the beginning of a rebuild, so I don't put all my concern on this fact.

2.  Rhule struggled in the NFL.  These coaches are elite.  However, sample size is small and it was Carolina...maybe a top 3 worst franchises in the NFL.

3.  There are multiple games in his 1.5 seasons at Nebraska where it looked as if his team was out-coached or out-schemed.  The latest is Indiana where he did not see this coming.  

Each point above is not a definitive concern as a stand alone.  Combined?  It will be interesting to see the actual narrative.  We will know more at the end of this year.   Turnaround guru?  Turnaround guru at mid level ball?  Turnaround one offs?  I'm hoping for guru...

I see us at 5-7 or 6-6...after a 5-1 start.   Fire Rhule?  No.  But he will have to find coaches that are proven and really know contextual and game-by-game X's and O's to go along with his energy and motivational strengths.  

 

[TGHusker]

But he will have to find coaches that are proven and really know contextual and game-by-game X's and O's to go along with his energy and motivational strengths.

This - he needs the highest quality proven winners at the OC, DC and ST level.  He needs to be the CEO, GM to manage this complex college football landscape.  I agree with @lo country bring in Korn (works well with Cornhuskers) as OC  - he has proven himself wherever he's been as an OC with Chadwell.  He has a system/identity and he runs it well.  I'm sure there are others like him.  But Satt was meh before he came here and why should we expect any different.  Regarding Tony White - I don't know the reason for such an unprepared D vs Indiana.  Seems very contrary in how they were tracking. 

 

[soup]

As a major "what if"?

What if Rhule came to Nebraska with today's rules after he left Baylor?  Do you think this team would like significantly different being able to bring 10-20 guys from Baylor over here, similar to what Cignitti did?  Would the scared of their own shadow still be plaguing this team?

 

[TGHusker]

As a major "what if"?

What if Rhule came to Nebraska with today's rules after he left Baylor?  Do you think this team would like significantly different being able to bring 10-20 guys from Baylor over here, similar to what Cignitti did?  Would the scared of their own shadow still be plaguing this team?

Bring in an OC who can bring in a number of players on O to help Raiola - we need speed and blockers up front.  Seemed to work great for Indiana - who is now my fan favorite to win the NC and overtake the blue bloods of GA, Tx, OSU, Bama - not saying they are good enough but it would be a great story. 

 

[Street Novelist]

I think it just takes some honest eyes to try to sort through this.   

#1) Rhule says the players here are his. He backs this up all last year by working with the men left from the Frost regime. He abandons none of them, keeps most of them, vows to work to develop them.

#2) Rhule vows to develop the players that want to play here. He recruits the best he can given the horrible results of the past 8 years. He brings those players in and starts to work towards developing them. 

#3) Year 2 starts.  Very few transfers are out there on the field. It is mostly the guys from Frost's regime that he has not forsaken and that have not moved on to better programs. Basically, the few stars that Frost had, (Hausman) have left and Rhule is committed to working with the ones that, if we are being honest, did not have better offers. He sprinkles in a couple transfer receivers and some true freshman.  The highs look good! The lows look not near as good.

#4) This is a team likely a 35-40 ranked team. For everybody else in the country, that means that sometimes you play a 30-35 ranked team like Colorado and the "high's" come out and you beat them big.  It also means, sometimes you play a 20-25 ranked team in Illinois and it's a dog fight you lose in OT. It means that sometimes you play a top 10-15 team in Indiana on one of their "high's" and you get boat raced, because you are not as good a team as them.  

While I wish that Rhule was more magic than he has shown to be so far in the coaching department, I think it is too early to be too upset with him for the way he has approached the rebuild. He intentionally wants to do it the "right" way. He wants to build the foundation. Nebraskan's want him to do it the "right" way.  We can't get all excited about the method in the offseason and say we understand it will take time and we will be patient, and then get pissed mid-season when it isn't going fast enough for us.

Good post  :thumbs

 

[gobiggergoredder]

This - he needs the highest quality proven winners at the OC, DC and ST level.  He needs to be the CEO, GM to manage this complex college football landscape.  I agree with @lo country bring in Korn (works well with Cornhuskers) as OC  - he has proven himself wherever he's been as an OC with Chadwell.  He has a system/identity and he runs it well.  I'm sure there are others like him.  But Satt was meh before he came here and why should we expect any different.  Regarding Tony White - I don't know the reason for such an unprepared D vs Indiana.  Seems very contrary in how they were tracking. 

White can’t get a pass(I know you’re not saying that).  I think the defensive performance is vastly overstated.  We saw that with the nonsense rushing TD stat.
 

Illinois did whatever they wanted to.  Rutgers won every aspect of the game except the scoreboard.

The biggest difference I’ve seen this year is really Omar Brown.  He didn’t get enough credit for making plays.   If our DL gets to QB it seems to go well.  If not, it’s over.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

So when do we get to be Indiana?

Or Illinois? Or Iowa State? Or Army? Or Vanderbilt FFS?

We keep hearing about how much time a program rebuild takes, but apparently it doesn't. Programs with lesser legacy and facilities manage to do it all the time. Sustaining a dynasty for 40 years? Nobody is doing that, but they do get to have seasons where they play winning football, upset ranked opponents, and go to bowl games. 

I get that we're 5-2 and one voter in the AP was nice enough to give us a vote, but it feels like we're going to hang on by the skin of our teeth to get that sixth win and bottom-tier bowl invite that lets us declare progress. And let's face it --- this is not just about throwing Satterfield under the bus. This is across the board offense, defense, and special teams collectively forgetting how to play football in big games. And it's so familiar.

That's why it's going to be so fun to revisit this thread after we beat Ohio State.

(sigh) 

 

[gobiggergoredder]

So when do we get to be Indiana?

Or Illinois? Or Iowa State? Or Army? Or Vanderbilt FFS?

We keep hearing about how much time a program rebuild takes, but apparently it doesn't. Programs with lesser legacy and facilities manage to do it all the time. Sustaining a dynasty for 40 years? Nobody is doing that, but they do get to have seasons where they play winning football, upset ranked opponents, and go to bowl games. 

I get that we're 5-2 and one voter in the AP was nice enough to give us a vote, but it feels like we're going to hang on by the skin of our teeth to get that sixth win and bottom-tier bowl invite that lets us declare progress. And let's face it --- this is not just about throwing Satterfield under the bus. This is across the board offense, defense, and special teams collectively forgetting how to play football in big games. And it's so familiar.

That's why it's going to be so fun to revisit this thread after we beat Ohio State.

(sigh) 

This this this……..

We are so beaten down that we want to Indiana or Kansas (not this year).  Look at Missouri.

Its depressing.  We want to be where Iowa State is.  We are only outspent by a few programs.  We sellout every game.  Battling to make a bowl……again.

 

[soup]

Again I ask the question. Would we be in this position if Rhule could bring his entire culture/players with him when he came here?  
 

That is why Indiana is killing it. This isn’t a 2018 rebuild. Where you had to recruit. You just bring your entire staff and half of our starting 22 with you and tada you are good.  Will Cignitti be at Indiana next year or will he move on?  
 

Nebraska chose not to do the quick fix and instead build it for long term stability. 
 

Do Nebraska fans want a flash in the pan good year or to get back to long term relevance?
 

 

[gossamorharpy]

So when do we get to be Indiana?

Or Illinois? Or Iowa State? Or Army? Or Vanderbilt FFS?

We keep hearing about how much time a program rebuild takes, but apparently it doesn't. Programs with lesser legacy and facilities manage to do it all the time. Sustaining a dynasty for 40 years? Nobody is doing that, but they do get to have seasons where they play winning football, upset ranked opponents, and go to bowl games. 

I get that we're 5-2 and one voter in the AP was nice enough to give us a vote, but it feels like we're going to hang on by the skin of our teeth to get that sixth win and bottom-tier bowl invite that lets us declare progress. And let's face it --- this is not just about throwing Satterfield under the bus. This is across the board offense, defense, and special teams collectively forgetting how to play football in big games. And it's so familiar.

That's why it's going to be so fun to revisit this thread after we beat Ohio State.

(sigh) 

Nothing changes until we field a competent line on both sides of the ball. I’m sick of hearing about the experience on our o line, it’s s#!tty experience and cannot wait for the day the upper class men are gone. I hope the likes of brix and some of the highly regarded lineman we’ve pulled changes this starting next year but I’m fearful we’re stuck with a dud of a o line coach simply to keep Dylan here.

As far as d line- I really don’t wanna hear anything about hutmacher and Robinson again. They are not difference makers when it really matters- non big ten or a Colorado team with no line they look great. Against an average o line in the big ten? They get ran over and never get to the qb