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Danny Bateman said:
But to your (and his) points, it raises a point I’d like to make. Whatever has happened in modern America, far too many people have lost the simple ability to accept they might be objectively wrong about something - and changing their position in response. Anymore people just dig their heels in and retrench their incorrect belief even more. Trumpism treats admitting error as a sign of weakness. And it’s giving implicit permissions to millions of American to cling to their flawed beliefs about factual, objective matters as well, which just compounds the issue of us no longer agreeing on reality anymore.
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The sobering reality is that without some comprehensive shift, we are in and will continue down the path of a post-truth reality. It's a box that can't be closed, and the ultimatum for the DNC is to either stoop to the ploys and tactics that the right wing media complex has done so well at (which will serve them, but is bad for all of us), or continue to lose. 

Archy1221 said:
My couple  hopes for the next 2-4 years going into midterms is that:

1) the GOP carries through on border security before any immigration reform.   Deport as many criminal illegals as possible and overstay visas.   Quickly but properly Vet and bring over Afghan interpreters/immediate family members who helped our troops during the war and were promised asylum.  
2) Once that is complete, work with moderate Dems to figure out a work visa plan for those illegal aliens who show a stable work history with no criminal record.    
3) once that process is in place, figure out how to process immigrants applying to come into our country and expedite the pathway to citizenship so it doesn’t take so long.  
4) TPS immigrants need to be evaluated and sent back when there isn’t the issue in their homelands that brought them here.   It’s Temporary for a reason. 
5). Reduce the size of government yearly budget.  Every time a crisis hits, we do massive stimulus, and then the budget barely creeps down from that massive stimulus top point.   A few years go by and then we’re told we can’t live without all that increased spending.    
6) make the military spending more efficient.

7) whatever else good happens is gravy.

8). Hopefully all the clowns who claim Democracy is ending and the GOP are racist fascists continue to voice that rhetoric loud and proud.  
9). MTG and Boebert etc leave government but we all know that won’t happen.  I hope The Squad stays though and continues to lead the Dems down a dark hole to nowhere.  
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I'd be happy about near all of this, but am also predicting that exactly none of this happens other than possibly a decent chunk of deportations.

 
Archy1221 said:
The current administration couldn’t understand that inflation was creeping up and wouldn’t acknowledge it as a problem until they had no other choice.   For far too long, your group tried to gaslight the country and tell us it was very temporary and transitory and we really wouldn’t feel any real aftermath of inflation.    That is until reality hit them in the face and the electorate wasn’t too happy about the gaslighting and then starting questioning all the bulls#!t being fed to them.  
 

the condescending attitude of Washington DC ruling class telling the average voter that prices really weren’t that high and it’s just bacon rising $.20 that week so quit worrying didn’t work out to well for the Democrats this cycle.   
 
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If anyone in the administration stood up and gave the true story of the pandemic economy, the global inflation that came with it, and actions being taken to mitigate it, the response would have been identical. The U.S. actually emerged from the pandemic better than any country on Earth, an unambiguous fact the America First! crowd should have celebrated, but chose not to for some reason. To acknowledge that everyday Americans were being hurt by inflation, but the trends were moving in a positive direction is neither bulls#!t or gaslighting. 

You know perfectly well that as of last week, Republicans will use the same economy and the same numbers to declare American turning a corner under Trump's leadership.

Talk about gaslighting. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
The U.S. actually emerged from the pandemic better than any country on Earth, an unambiguous fact the America First! crowd should have celebrated,
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You are correct and we agree.
 

 We should also agree that one main reason for this was the U.S. not being in as big of an economic hole during the pandemic because we as a country began to open up sooner with CA and NY/Northeast being the main holdouts.   We were positioned for a faster recovery.   

Guy Chamberlin said:
To acknowledge that everyday Americans were being hurt by inflation, but the trends were moving in a positive direction is neither bulls#!t or gaslighting. 
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The Administration was telling the American public that inflation wasn’t an issue, as inflation continued to rise.   They tried to gaslight everyone into believing it wasn’t a big deal, that it would recover quickly and not get as bad as it got.   

 
Archy1221 said:
The Administration was telling the American public that inflation wasn’t an issue, as inflation continued to rise.   They tried to gaslight everyone into believing it wasn’t a big deal, that it would recover quickly and not get as bad as it got.   
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Sadly, I agree. Every chance that Biden and Kamala had to acknowledge and then spin, they would routinely fail to acknowledge and jump straight to spinning. 

Trump teed her up perfectly in the debate to get on top of this messaging, where some simple sentiment along the lines of Guy's post would have crushed, and instead she just started with a talking point about growing up as a middle class girl. The pivot was obvious, and to many damning, when it didn't have to be.

 
Lorewarn said:
Sadly, I agree. Every chance that Biden and Kamala had to acknowledge and then spin, they would routinely fail to acknowledge and jump straight to spinning. 

Trump teed her up perfectly in the debate to get on top of this messaging, where some simple sentiment along the lines of Guy's post would have crushed, and instead she just started with a talking point about growing up as a middle class girl. The pivot was obvious, and to many damning, when it didn't have to be.
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While I think that’s the most rational, best case they could’ve made, I don’t think that would’ve crushed as you said. People were pissed and in a throw out the bums mood. While true, this argument was just another flavor of minimizing people’s concerns and I don’t think it would’ve been well received.

That said, they did just about everything they could’ve done to drag it back down. They avoided the wild, impulsive micromanaging Trump would’ve done. They navigated labor disputes. JPow successfully negotiated a soft landing. And Trump, being the lucky motherf#&%er that he is, is going to waltz in and take all the credit. Unfortunately many people will believe him. The only question is how many of his pro-inflationary policies he follows through on and how that affects things. He’s being gifted a pretty damn good starting point.

People might not like the answer that inflation is cyclical , but it’s a stone cold fact. I don’t need to care whether people like that answer because I’m not running for office. Bad fiscal policy can worsen it and vice versa. They successfully pulled the levers they had access to and rode it out.

 
There is no winning strategy when 70 million people are willing to vote for a convicted felon, who was already in office once and was a disaster. 

The electorate knows everything there is to know about this guy and they chose him anyway. Nothing Harris or the Democrats could have done would change that.

 
knapplc said:
There is no winning strategy when 70 million people are willing to vote for a convicted felon, who was already in office once and was a disaster. 

The electorate knows everything there is to know about this guy and they chose him anyway. Nothing Harris or the Democrats could have done would change that.
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People are selfish, the economy and inflation absolutely do have an impact, and people know things are more expensive than they were a couple years ago.

 
Danny Bateman said:
While I think that’s the most rational, best case they could’ve made, I don’t think that would’ve crushed as you said. People were pissed and in a throw out the bums mood. While true, this argument was just another flavor of minimizing people’s concerns and I don’t think it would’ve been well received.

That said, they did just about everything they could’ve done to drag it back down. They avoided the wild, impulsive micromanaging Trump would’ve done. They navigated labor disputes. JPow successfully negotiated a soft landing. And Trump, being the lucky motherf#&%er that he is, is going to waltz in and take all the credit. Unfortunately many people will believe him. The only question is how many of his pro-inflationary policies he follows through on and how that affects things. He’s being gifted a pretty damn good starting point.

People might not like the answer that inflation is cyclical , but it’s a stone cold fact. I don’t need to care whether people like that answer because I’m not running for office. Bad fiscal policy can worsen it and vice versa. They successfully pulled the levers they had access to and rode it out.
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I'm trying to imagine a nuanced and accurate assessment of the economy not being stripped of context and turned into a gotcha meme admitting the Biden administration had failed. 

Harris could have handled this much better and more honestly, for sure. But I don't see it winning her anything. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I'm trying to imagine a nuanced and accurate assessment of the economy not being stripped of context and turned into a gotcha meme admitting the Biden administration had failed. 

Harris could have handled this much better and more honestly, for sure. But I don't see it winning her anything. 
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+1000 if I could. We’re in total agreement on all that. Also my head cannon is now that they were going to lose anyway so I’m not going to sweat the small stuff.

But fixing their messaging is and has been the primary goal for the immediate future. The agenda is mostly popular but they can’t sell it to most voters for beans. Republicans are greasy as hell but boy to they know how to get people to buy in to some absolute dog water. 

 
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