Pinstripe Bowl/2024 What Did We Learn

gobiggergoredder said:
I've already posted in two other "what did we learn" threads that he intentionally isolates himself for attention.  He runs out on the field by himself in front of the entire team.  During breaks, he isolates himself from the rest of the team (i've seen this on television and in person). 
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The problem is it's incredibly assumptive DR is isolating himself purely for attention. High-level athletes often step away from the group to focus or follow sideline protocols, and those moments of “solo time” don’t automatically mean he’s trying to hog the spotlight. I constantly see him surrounded by teammates both on and off the field, so whatever you're seeing... I don't see it.

Likewise, chalking up every bit of intensity or confidence to arrogance could be missing the bigger picture... especially considering the examples of him actively supporting teammates.

It's most certainly "Whataboutism".  It doesn't address behavior stated.  It goes to him grabbing a football for a teammate.  Super.  It doesn't address or change anything I stated.
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Given that caveman’s counterpoint directly addresses Dylan Raiola’s behavior, just highlighting a positive example rather than a negative one, this is generally considered a relevant counterexample... not a whataboutism. 

These are opinions folks.  I'm not going to change anyone else's mind.  I'm here to state mine.
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I mean, you did say before you posted it that you've posted it before and you expected negative reactions. It's their right to contradict you as much as it is your right topost and continue responding.

 All 3 of my kids are about the same age as DR. This isn't anything I find shocking. If it were one of my kids I'd being letting them know I don't consider those behaviors I'd want out of a leader. My kids are not elite QBs in the spotlight, but I can guarantee you I've had conversations with them about the behavior of a winner/leader and what they need to correct.
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I respect that you don’t love his style, but treating him like a self-centered tool might be skipping over the bigger picture. The things you see as showy or arrogant could be part of how he plays, or how he motivates himself. Maybe it’s not your style, but there's more than one way to be a leader and play at a high level, and a lot of people don’t think it’s nearly as big a deal when they see him also do genuinely team-focused stuff. 

 
Enhance said:
The problem is it's incredibly assumptive DR is isolating himself purely for attention. High-level athletes often step away from the group to focus or follow sideline protocols, and those moments of “solo time” don’t automatically mean he’s trying to hog the spotlight. I constantly see him surrounded by teammates both on and off the field, so whatever you're seeing... I don't see it.

Likewise, chalking up every bit of intensity or confidence to arrogance could be missing the bigger picture... especially considering the examples of him actively supporting teammates.

Given that caveman’s counterpoint directly addresses Dylan Raiola’s behavior, just highlighting a positive example rather than a negative one, this is generally considered a relevant counterexample... not a whataboutism. 

I mean, you did say before you posted it that you've posted it before and you expected negative reactions. It's their right to contradict you as much as it is your right topost and continue responding.

I respect that you don’t love his style, but treating him like a self-centered tool might be skipping over the bigger picture. The things you see as showy or arrogant could be part of how he plays, or how he motivates himself. Maybe it’s not your style, but there's more than one way to be a leader and play at a high level, and a lot of people don’t think it’s nearly as big a deal when they see him also do genuinely team-focused stuff. 
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I think this is a good post.

i waited until nearly the end of the season before I started posting this.  I watched and looked for patterns and consistency.  I was able to predict how he would react at the end of the game not because I’m Nostradamus, but because this is what he’s shown.  The isolation I’ve witnessed didn’t appear as decompression, but more photo ops you’d see from an influencer.

It seems to me that he is trying so hard to put on an act.  Create what he thinks he supposed to be.  Obviously this is total speculation.  Something to consider about the mini Mahomes thing.  PM is a winner and he’s likable.

This team is better with him.  There is absolutely no question about it.  I want him to do well.  But I’ll keep posting my opinions.

 
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gobiggergoredder said:
I think this is a good post.

i waited until nearly the end of the season before I started posting this.  I watched and looked for patterns and consistency.  I was able to predict how he would react at the end of the game not because I’m Nostradamus, but because this is what he’s shown.  The isolation I’ve witnessed didn’t appear as decompression, but more photo ops you’d see from an influencer.

It seems to me that he is trying so hard to put on an act.  Create what he thinks he supposed to be.  Obviously this is total speculation.  Something to consider about the mini Mahomes thing.  PM is a winner and he’s likable.

This team is better with him.  There is absolutely no question about it.  I want him to do well.  But I’ll keep posting my opinions.
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I think both of you guys have good posts! To me, it comes back to each individual’s perspective and how each feels about a player. Both takes are correct, in your own view.  I am in the middle, and I am not a DR apologist. I was calling for HH to get 15+ snaps a game during the season… but I see both views. He came here to change the culture. Typically, a culture changer is the face of the franchise/program. He must feel that he needs to put himself out there. If you listen to interviews, he is all about the team/program… rarely about him…. An example of perspective is that during the 25 years of being a HC, not 1 time did I lead our team out of the tunnel and onto the field. I always followed them.  My view was/is that the kids are the ones who deserved to be first, bc without them, I don’t have a team…. Other coaches view it as as the HC, you are the leader and need to “lead” them into battle. Just different perspectives… no right/wrong

some fans will say they love the fire, the pumping up the crowd, the front and center leading attitude, bc that is what some of the best leaders have displayed…. Many ( probably older fans) will not appreciate those same attributes and label it as showboating. 

 
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Things I learned from the Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl. 

1) We have good young players on defense. They have the potential to excel just as the upper classmen/portal guys did this year. 

2) Not many people want to go to New York City over Christmas. 

3) You can fit a dj booth on a riding lawn mower.

 
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