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Nebfanatic said:
Imo everyone is on the same page here. Pretty much everyone agrees we could reduce spending but what to cut and how is the crux of the issue here for sure. The how part is really concerning in this case to most people who are upset by whats going on.
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Now this response I can get onboard with. We are helping our 4th refugee family. This one is from Sudan. The organization in Denver that sets these families up is having to make cuts because....funding is paused or uncertain. It looks this is also affecting funding to the family itself.

This may be some of the collateral damage I am speaking of. I am letting it play out to know for sure. In the mean time, the volunteers helping this family will make sure they are OK. Don't need the government for that.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
The primary issue is that they haven't found wasteful spending. The things you feel are wasteful add up to such a small amount of money that it's going to cost the government more in lawsuits losing in court over and over then they are by saving meaningful amounts of money. 

Unless they: 

Cut the pay and benefits for the military OR dramatically reduce social security payouts OR dramatically reduce Medicaid spending on old people they aren't saving any money. 

What they are doing is serving slop in the trough of conservatives to eat up, which frankly is historically embarrassing for everybody involved.
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300 million in questionable loans (x2) may not be much in a 4.5T dollar budget (when was the last time our government had a budget? 2008?) is a small percentage, but 600 million is still a lot. We (the US) can't keep this up. Too much debt. Every little bit helps. 

You are right. They probably won't hit the big ticket items. 

 
knapplc said:
Please explain Trump/Elon's plan, and the desired end result, for everyone. In detail. 
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I have already spent to much of my time on this board tonight. Trumps plan is to eliminate useless and nonsensical spending according to his own definitions of useless and nonsensical and also eliminate sections of government that are unnecessary ...in his opinion. I am not sure anyone understands what Trump thinks is useless, nonsensical, and unnecessary. Good luck with that. 

BTW, the nazi references are getting old. 

 
nic said:
I have already spent to much of my time on this board tonight. Trumps plan is to eliminate useless and nonsensical spending according to his own definitions of useless and nonsensical and also eliminate sections of government that are unnecessary ...in his opinion. I am not sure anyone understands what Trump thinks is useless, nonsensical, and unnecessary. Good luck with that. 

BTW, the nazi references are getting old. 
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Of course this account is full-throated in support of the destruction of American institutions but can't explain AT ALL why the destruction of those institutions is beneficial. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
 The nazi stuff they do is getting old too it would be nice if we didn't have to bring attention to it on a daily basis because they just didn't do it all together but oh well what can you do when they are nazi saluting and hitler apologizing left and right
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Note how that account complained about people being called nazis completely out of the blue.

 
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For an account that has spent too much time on HuskerBoard to explain in even a tiny detail how the destruction of American institutions will benefit Americans, 40 minutes later they're still checking on this thread.

 
knapplc said:
Fair. My apologies. That was blunt. 
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Apology accepted. I understand where you are coming from but I think it's good to acknowledge that most people would be in favor of cutting billions in subsidies to oil and gas, big pharma or any of the companies Elon musk owns. That's not the issue as much as conservatives want to make it out to be the issue. It's the crude unconstitutional authoritarian chainsaw people have a problem with. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
Apology accepted. I understand where you are coming from but I think it's good to acknowledge that most people would be in favor of cutting billions in subsidies to oil and gas, big pharma or any of the companies Elon musk owns. That's not the issue as much as conservatives want to make it out to be the issue. It's the crude unconstitutional authoritarian chainsaw people have a problem with. 
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Republican dogma is simple. Government = bad. And they’re remarkably dogmatic.

It’s why @nic is mostly fine with DOGE and willing to overlook collateral damage. Their worldview is that the government is inherently bad and bloated and needs ground down, and any downsizing is better than doing nothing, regardless of the cost.

As you said, even us libs won’t argue with improving govt efficiency or reducing waste. It’s just the ham-fisted, malicious way they’re doing it and that actually matters. For a bunch of allegedly smart people led by a genius, it’s pretty goddamn embarrassing how they’ll running this outfit, and it feels cold and uncaring and mean and indifferent to human suffering, and that should all matter. Government should not exist to inflict willful suffering on those it claims to lead.

As a small example, Kudos Nic on your good work helping refugees. Truly meaningful charity that I’m sure is appreciated. But you’re wrong. There’s a role for government in helping settle and assimilate immigrants. Specific aid to help them achieve their own American dream. But that type of aid is exactly what is being stripped down to the screws because this administration is a bull in a china shop and impulsively breaks things before they understand fully what they are or consider how they might be important - or to whom, for that matter.

They’re not using a scalpel, they’re using a bulldozer that’s hurting a lot of innocents; they look like uncaring a$$h@!es who are so dogmatically focused on their end goal they don’t care who they step on to get there.

 
knapplc said:
f#&%. No.

Read the room.
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This is how I've felt about your posts over the last few years. Gone are the days of thoughtful engagement (even with folks you agree with), and it all feels like the furthest cranked amount of admonishment that nobody else is on board with.

nic said:
We could certainly argue about what to cut and how, but there really shouldn't be arguments about cutting. It sounds like we agree on this. What to cut is where the two sides will disagree. Since Trump won, he gets to pick this time. I am not sure I have seen government try and do any cuts....maybe back in the Gingrich Clinton days???
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I wonder who, besides those with a specific and clear self-serving conflict of interest, would argue with things like cutting subsidies for ultra rich oil & gas companies, big pharma's sweetheart deals where they get dumptrucks of money and tax breaks while still charging us for the medicine our taxes funded, carried interest loopholes on hedge funds, bloated defense contracts and pentagon waste, wall street bailouts and farm subsidies for mega corporations while small family farms go bankrupt. Anyone?

 
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