Children and immigration reform
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Dr. Strangelove
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Yes, this is both why the Trump Administration baited them into this spectacle and why the cultivated image of Democrats being lawless has contributed to their extreme unpopularity.
Trump is quite obviously going to win this exchange with the "protesters". Governors of Democratic states need to do everything in their power to stop people from "protesting" ICE.
The best course of action is to just let ICE continue to be incompetent. Accidentally arresting citizens is extremely unpopular. Deporting people without due process is even more unpopular. Even deporting non-violent immigrants is unpopular. Democrats need to recognize that the best course of action is to stop anti-ICE "protests" and just let them be the anchor of unpopularity that Trump deserves.
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RedDenver
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This is some of the worst advice I've heard. Advocating that good men do nothing is certainly an opinion. I'm starting to think you actually approve of authoritarianism.
Dr. Strangelove
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Yes, because letting Trump continue to be unpopular to the point where he's underwater on *checks notes* every single issue, even immigration, and then winning elections is a bad idea.
The good idea for Democrats? Continue to be viewed as toxic sludge in most of America and to shed voters across all demographics at unsustainable rates.
The problem here isn't that I'm authoritarian. I'm a patriotic person who believes in liberal American democracy. It's that Democrats are addicted to losing elections and hemorrhaging electoral support.
Yes, because letting Trump continue to be unpopular to the point where he's underwater on *checks notes* every single issue, even immigration, and then winning elections is a bad idea.
The good idea for Democrats? Continue to be viewed as toxic sludge in most of America and to shed voters across all demographics at unsustainable rates.
The problem here isn't that I'm authoritarian. I'm a patriotic person who believes in liberal American democracy. It's that Democrats are addicted to losing elections and hemorrhaging electoral support.
RedDenver
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You are advocating for the Dem party to stop people from protesting. I don't care if it helps them win elections if it means giving up our rights along the way.
Dr. Strangelove
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I think it's fine if they do so in an orderly way, but the idea that every form of protest is legal just isn't true.
Legal protests are coordinated through local law enforcement and are permitted to people don't light Waymo's on fire.
Showing up and hurling rocks at ICE agents arresting people - legally or not - isn't protesting. What Democrats need to do is ensure robust law enforcement exists and have plans in place to keep these kinds of "protests" to a minimum.
BigRedBuster
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I agree. However, at the same time, there is a very small minority of protestors that are falling for what Trump wants them to do and that's what is making the headlines (which, nobody here supports).
If everyone can peacefully protest, like the vast majority of them in LA.....protesting is what they should do.
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JJ Husker
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Well I agree with you.
Let them protest all they want, but assure that it remains peaceful and lawful. This approach would require being a little extra forceful when any in the crowd begin to cross a line.
But yeah, then sit back and let Trump, MAGA and the Rs hang themselves electorally with their own fascist authoritarian ways. The Dems can’t be seen as aiding and abetting lawless behavior if they want to quit losing elections. And given what the Rs have been proposing and doing for the last 9 years or so, we don’t want them winning elections, even if I’m definitely not a dem, they are by far the least bad of the two.
Dr. Strangelove
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Exactly.
Like, it sucks that legal protesting mostly involves holding signs on the sidewalk near City Hall and that they rarely accomplish anything, but it's vital that anti-ICE protests stay within those confines.
Trumps policies are unpopular. Let him be unpopular. People foaming at the mouth with glee, like certain conservative posters here, should be the canary-in-the-coal mine for the obvious political bait that this all is. It's a shame that it's working.
Guy Chamberlin
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Leftist insurrection, Stanley Cup riot, or Super Bowl celebration?
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teachercd
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People will crap on this idea BUT this is a tactic that all smart people use all the time.
Micro Level Example: Your parents come home in a bad mood. That is not the time to go start bothering them. You just leave them alone for a little bit.
If this is really a plan by trump...why fall for it and take the bait.
Hmmmm. People were baited into rioting is a strange take. I’ve seen it throughout the Dem leadership so I see talking points have went out and that’s what you’re going with.
Question…if one is gleeful, would they be foaming at the mouth too? That seems like an odd combo. The riot rationalizing is taking a toll on your posting my friend.
BigRedBuster
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Trump and his administration have raised the level of tension in the country with just about everything they have done. He has made it clear that he wants to rule with an iron fist and people are rejecting that.
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