Gamecocks cut 6 scholies for Major Violations

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CockInYourEar said:
Our program broke the rules, the athletes weren't really at fault, they were failed by the compliance office. You know these kind of mistakes happen everywhere, even in Lincoln, as recent as this year.
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</p><p>Fair enough. If I understand you, you claim that NU may have committed some sort of unknown violations. So NU fans shouldn’t criticize USC?</p>

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<p>Well let’s look at this year’s scandals for the two schools to get a perspective:</p>

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<p><strong><u>Things NU fans are up in arms about</u>:</strong> some players were given the <em>recommended</em> textbooks for their courses instead of just the required text books. Another kid slides his smartcar on the ice, and walks home. Another kid gets busted by the LPD for keeping warm in his car, and he blows 0.1 bac—which is about 2 ½ beers.</p>

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<p><strong><u>NCAA violation that (some) USC fans see no problem with</u>:</strong> $55,000 improper hotel benefits to players. Recruiting violations. Ineligible players. Running a sham charitable organization to direct recruits to USC</p>

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<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what constitutes a scandal in Lincoln and the multiple NCAA <span style="font-size: 14px;">Violations</span> being orchestrated by the folks in Columbia and their fat-wallet boosters.</p>

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<p>Yeah you're wrong on a couple points.</p>

<p>1.) Fat Wallet boosters had nothing to do with this. (That's osu,miss state, or allbarn you're thinking of)</p>

<p>2.) SAM is not a sham, it's a good organization that does not just send kids to USC. It creates opportunity for inner city youth athletes to visit schools, like Shariif Floyd at UF.</p>

<p>3.) I never said anything about NU's recent players arrests/tickets in comparison to our violations. (we all have players who make bad decisions with alcohol and/or driving.)</p>

<p>4.) NU did commit those violations and admitted it. </p>

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<p>My point is: the idea of a perfect/clean program is great and every organization should aspire to that and have controls in place to execute on that ideal. However, almost all programs make mistakes (I couldn't find any record of a single program that has never had an NCAA violation, and my guess is that there is not,) so you're right in saying that what we did is wrong, but to paint USC in a picture of scandal and conspiracy is incorrect. USC never tried to hide this infraction from the NCAA, they were forthright with the error, and offered self imposed penalties (including punishing the compliance officer at fault.) Whether or not the NCAA accepts them, we won't know until February or later.</p>

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Cina said:
teachercd said:
Player X to recruit: "Hell yeah, here at USC we get the hook up, even sweet hotel rooms basically for free"

Player Y to recruit: "Hell yeah, here at Nebraska we get the hook up, we even get all the books we need for our classes for free"

Think about moron, one kind sells a recruit, one kind of makes you sound like you work in a nerdery. Both are defined as "wrong" sure but one is different from the other.
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Exactly what kind of work gets done in a nerdery?
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If you don't know, then I can't tell you!

 
CockInYourEar said:
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NUance said:
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CockInYourEar said:
Our program broke the rules, the athletes weren't really at fault, they were failed by the compliance office. You know these kind of mistakes happen everywhere, even in Lincoln, as recent as this year.
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</p><p>Fair enough. If I understand you, you claim that NU may have committed some sort of unknown violations. So NU fans shouldn’t criticize USC?</p>

<p> </p>

<p> </p>

<p>Well let’s look at this year’s scandals for the two schools to get a perspective:</p>

<p> </p>

<p><strong><u>Things NU fans are up in arms about</u>:</strong> some players were given the <em>recommended</em> textbooks for their courses instead of just the required text books. Another kid slides his smartcar on the ice, and walks home. Another kid gets busted by the LPD for keeping warm in his car, and he blows 0.1 bac—which is about 2 ½ beers.</p>

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<p><strong><u>NCAA violation that (some) USC fans see no problem with</u>:</strong> $55,000 improper hotel benefits to players. Recruiting violations. Ineligible players. Running a sham charitable organization to direct recruits to USC</p>

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<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what constitutes a scandal in Lincoln and the multiple NCAA <span style="font-size: 14px;">Violations</span> being orchestrated by the folks in Columbia and their fat-wallet boosters.</p>

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</p><p> </p>

<p>Yeah you're wrong on a couple points.</p>

<p>1.) Fat Wallet boosters had nothing to do with this. (That's osu,miss state, or allbarn you're thinking of)</p>

<p>2.) SAM is not a sham, it's a good organization that does not just send kids to USC. It creates opportunity for inner city youth athletes to visit schools, like Shariif Floyd at UF.</p>

<p>3.) I never said anything about NU's recent players arrests/tickets in comparison to our violations. (we all have players who make bad decisions with alcohol and/or driving.)</p>

<p>4.) NU did commit those violations and admitted it. </p>

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<p>My point is: the idea of a perfect/clean program is great and every organization should aspire to that and have controls in place to execute on that ideal. However, almost all programs make mistakes (I couldn't find any record of a single program that has never had an NCAA violation, and my guess is that there is not,) so you're right in saying that what we did is wrong, but to paint USC in a picture of scandal and conspiracy is incorrect. USC never tried to hide this infraction from the NCAA, they were forthright with the error, and offered self imposed penalties (including punishing the compliance officer at fault.) Whether or not the NCAA accepts them, we won't know until February or later.</p>

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For the love of Herman Hollerith, please don’t include the character control symbols. My eyes are burning.

 
I used to manage a hotel property. We had the opportunity to house about 40 college football players from mid June through late July while they were taking summer classes and going through summer conditioning. Apparently, their on campus housing was being remodeled and they had no place to stay. (Not in Nebraska btw).

We declined the opportunity for one significant reason:

Who in their right mind would want 40 college football players staying in their hotel for 6 weeks?

I didn't want two floors of my hotel to turn into a 6 week party.

 
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I don't remember us being too up in arms about the free textbooks issue. And I think every fan base in one way or another criticizes another's for rule-violating while at the same time failing to acknowledge their own university's desire to "do anything to win".

It's good to see USC self-impose this 6 scholarship cut. Wonder why they set it so high, was it really that bad of an infraction?

 
NUance said:
CockInYourEar said:
Our program broke the rules, the athletes weren't really at fault, they were failed by the compliance office. You know these kind of mistakes happen everywhere, even in Lincoln, as recent as this year.
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Fair enough. If I understand you, you claim that NU may have committed some sort of unknown violations. So NU fans shouldn’t criticize USC?

Well let’s look at this year’s scandals for the two schools to get a perspective:

Things NU fans are up in arms about: some players were given the recommended textbooks for their courses instead of just the required text books. Another kid slides his smartcar on the ice, and walks home. Another kid gets busted by the LPD for keeping warm in his car, and he blows 0.1 bac—which is about 2 ½ beers.

NCAA violation that (some) USC fans see no problem with: $55,000 improper hotel benefits to players. Recruiting violations. Ineligible players. Running a sham charitable organization to direct recruits to USC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what constitutes a scandal in Lincoln and the multiple NCAA Violations being orchestrated by the folks in Columbia and their fat-wallet boosters.
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You mean 2 1/2 quarts right? At Caputo's weight, it would take between 8 and 9 12 oz. beers consumed in one hour to get him to roughly .103.

 
Cina said:
teachercd said:
Player X to recruit: "Hell yeah, here at USC we get the hook up, even sweet hotel rooms basically for free"

Player Y to recruit: "Hell yeah, here at Nebraska we get the hook up, we even get all the books we need for our classes for free"

Think about moron, one kind sells a recruit, one kind of makes you sound like you work in a nerdery. Both are defined as "wrong" sure but one is different from the other.
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Exactly what kind of work gets done in a nerdery?
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Nerdingly type of work.

Now if you'll excuse me, my fellow nerds and I will retire to the nerdery with our calculators.

 
Don't take the NCAA estimate in benefits @ $47,000 too seriously. In reality it's likely lower than that.

They paid $30/night for a room for an "extended" period, or in other words about $900/mo for 8-9 months.

Try to book the same room for a couple nights, and it's $115/night or about $3450/mo.

Those are the numbers the NCAA used... but in reality, hotels often give substantially lower rates for extended stay patrons.

They can do this because a hotel will typically NOT rent out the room 100% of the nights for the next 8-9 months anyway.

If the hotel averaged a 26% occupancy rate for the 2 bedroom suites (8 days month) then they would break even with the rate they offered the students.

I have no idea how busy the hotel is... but it's not out of the question that their occupancy rate for those rooms is 26%.

 
junior4949 said:
You mean 2 1/2 quarts right? At Caputo's weight, it would take between 8 and 9 12 oz. beers consumed in one hour to get him to roughly .103.
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Yeah, that's closer to being right. I worked it out one time for myself...and I can have 7 beers in the first hour of drinking before I pass .08......then only one beer per hour after that to "maintain".

 
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Conga3 said:
junior4949 said:
You mean 2 1/2 quarts right? At Caputo's weight, it would take between 8 and 9 12 oz. beers consumed in one hour to get him to roughly .103.
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Yeah, that's closer to being right. I worked it out one time for myself...and I can have 7 beers in the first hour of drinking before I pass .08......then only one beer per hour after that to "maintain".
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You just gave away your weight.

 
Honestly this sounds a lot more innocent than what is ongoing, and covered up, at other schools.

Good for SC for finding it, admitting it, and fixing it.

 
Penalty doesn't really mean diddly in the SEC...all they will do is be more aggressive with roster management (i.e. encouraging medical hardships and cutting the fat), and still sign the same number of players.

 
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