Cactusboy OG - a second request

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In this tread he at first subtley brought up an old story from HP about me. I ignored it. Then he just came out and told the story...in his words...saying it happend on HP. Now he won't answer who he was on HP and why he is using the name I had on HP. We know for fact that he at first put up the avatar I'm using after I put it up. THat can be confirmed through PMs I had w/ another mod. All this confirms he's an imposter w/ the sole/main purpose of being a troll/provoking anohter member. I would hope this site doesn't allow this type of behavior, because I can't think of one that does.

His profile also says he's in AZ which I'm 99% positive he's no. so that's another way he was trying to be an imposter and provoke/troll.
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CactusboyOG is making the same complaint about cactusboy, and asking that his username be changed.

cactusboy does appear to be dicking around with OG. I told OG that as long as the other guy was not actively pretending to be him, I wasn't sure we could do much about it. What do you guys think?

Here is the post in question:

cactusboy said:
yeah, cactusboyOG is the same poster who had a similar problem with police a few years ago when they gave him a speeding ticket. he set up a court date (even after admitting he was speeding) and ended up being extremely unprepared. he felt like the cop had no right to give him a ticket and he claimed the cop was a d!(k even though he was not. a lot of times people don't realize when they are being rude to someone, especially when they're insisting they did nothin wrong. just sayin

if you went into the encounter with the "i'm doing nothing wrong" despite you admitting you parked like one of those a-holes in the big trucks who think they can park anywhere...i doubt you were just some polite dude getting treated poorly by the police. i also doubt they were called to your location because you were illegally parked. someone probably saw a vehicle in the parking lot that was left running and for sum reason thought it was suspicious. or perhaps there had been burglaries in that area and a resident called when they thought u were casing the area when you said you couldnt find somewhere to park, and perhaps that resident became suspicious when they saw u drive up on a curb and no resident get out of the vehicle.

when the cops contact you, change up your attitude. instead of always having the "but i did NOTHING WRONG!" attitude, u at the very least were parked up on the curb. a simple "my bad, i couldnt find a spot and i was in a hurry, i'll move it" probably would have made for a more pleasant counter.
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He obviously has a history with the guy, and it seems likely that he's imitated his username and password, even if he is not pretending to be him actively.

Seems like a blatant - but unverifiable attempt to troll OG, if all the facts so far are correct. I do not know.

 
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I have extremely mixed feelings here. Except for this thread, had cactusboy done anything lately that could be considered trolling of CactusboyOG?

And it could be argued that the post by cactusboy was completely relevant to the thread started by CactusboyOG. Finally, I simply don't understand CactusboyOG's stance in this. Yeah, it was your username and avatar on another board. So what? If the entirety of the other board had moved here AND we had made him a mod, than I could kind of see it. But I'm having trouble seeing either trolling (again, unless there are other recent examples) or that this is our problem.

 
I can see OG's point about "identiy theft." I'm "knapplc" all over the internets, so if someone joined up on a site and posted as knapplc, I'd be unhappy about it.

Nothing really has changed since the last time we had this conversation, though. Non-OG Cactusboy is behaving the same way he was behaving originally. He's poking OG in the eye by using his old name from 'Pedia - but that's only IF you believe OG's side of this.

The decision we made last time we had this conversation was that we weren't going to pick sides, and if non-OG wasn't really trolling, we weren't going to do anything about it.

I would vote to make non-OG change his name and let OG have "cactusboy." I just don't know that we should do that.

 
I feel the same way - well, I don't know if OG wants the name back, but I think cactusboy is dicking around here. The problem with that post is that he shared a story from OG's personal life - something he probably read about on Huskerpedia.

This is a delicate situation to tread, I think. cactusboy may simply be looking to get a reaction from us and then, make a big noise of things.

We did say though, to keep drama from HP off of HB. If he's dragging out old personal stories from a defunct website, it is both bringing the drama here and making it personal. It might be OK to suspend this guy's account and give him another chance, telling him he can sign up for another account and to cut it with the HP drama.

Yeah, it was your username and avatar on another board. So what?
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I agree with this in principle. But it does seem to be a concerted effort to stick it to OG, one that, with the recent post about his history, I think would be pretty hard to deny.

I suppose the question is: if somebody signs up here as 'knapllc' and has the same avatar, is that different than what cactusboy is doing? Would we tolerate it? Innocent, accidental overlap should be OK - "husker rob" and "Husker Rob" come to mind, and "EZ-E" and "Eazy-E". This stuff about OG's old speeding ticket makes it seem almost certainly not innocent.

 
This is a slippery slope in my mind, how is what he doing against board rules? If it's not, how do we enforce such a thing and where does it end?

 
I'm willing to go with whatever everyone wants. Given the quote zoogies found, I'd say it seems pretty convincing that CactusboyOG was cactusboy on HP. And we can change usernames - we'd have to change the current cactusboy to something else first, then we can change the current CactusboyOG to cactusboy. The avatar - there's nothing that stop OG from using his old avatar now. We have a lot of instances of people using the same avatar.

Another option is for OG to simply change his user name to something like HP's Cactusboy or The REAL Cactusboy.

But like BRI says, we have a bit of a slipperly slope here. What I think might be a better way to handle this is to contact cactusboy and tell him that he seems to be trolling for CactusboyOG, and it needs to stop. This is a chance for a fresh start, and we don't want to bring over HP relationships to HB. We could even ask him, as a favor and to stop the issue, if he'd be willing to change his username.

 
I agree with that. I don't know if CactusboyOG wants his old username back. Even if he does, I don't think we should intervene just to give it to him.

I think we must decide if trolling via username/avatar is an offense. If it is, it is something that has to be curtailed, or enforced on (that is - "you need to change your username". I don't think we want to extend it to avatar). If it isn't, and we ask cactusboy to change it anyway, then it would be just catering to the wishes of one member over another.

I can get the slippery slope argument, though. Signatures? Avatars? So it is important to frame any decision we make in a precise, good, and lasting way.

I think members maybe can reference other members - as long as they are not crossing any other board rules - in their signatures, or in their avatars. Attempting to imitate another member's username purposefully and spitefully seems to be crossing the line.

Anyone signing up as "knappic", "zooges", or "eliot1711" with intent to troll - I think action would have to be taken on them. I do see some potential for gray area here and a slipper slope

is always dangerous. I think it would be a good idea to flesh out all of the dangers so that we can avoid them in whatever action we take. I don't think it should ultimately stop us from doing what seems to be the right thing in this instance, though.

 
The problem I see is that when someone uses "knapplc", "zoogies" or "eliot1711" (or some variation thereof) to troll a current member, it's just that - the person being trolled has established an identity HERE. We know that person, what kind of poster they are, etc. In this situation, we're being asked to referee based on postings and member historys from another board and for which we have no information concerning the background. So, that's one concern we need to think about - how will we know if it's the same situation as we have with the cactusboys? (Sounds like a band or a gang).

Again, that's just in general. In this specific case, I'm fine with a change. As everyone knows, I haven't really been able to read everything like I used to, so I honestly don't know whether cactusboy is trolling CactusboyOG. But my thinking is that if he is attacking or provoking OG, the first response would be to tell him to knock it off. I'm not so sure that the use of the name or avatar is, in and of itself, enough or should be grounds for action. But, those are just my thoughts.

 
I almost posted something like Frank's first paragraph last night, but got called away before I could write that post. I'm in agreement there.

However, I think it's pretty clear that non-OG is trolling OG, and it's a fluke of timing that OG didn't get the name first. For one thing, non-OG seems only to post when he can be sure to be seen by OG, and often seems to be poking at him. OG has tried to integrate himself into the board, and seems like a guy who will stick around and contribute. non-OG just seems to be here to rile up OG.

My vote, if we're voting, would be to have non-OG change his name, allow OG to take over "cactusboy," and if anyone gripes (which I doubt they will), tell them it's a case-by-case basis, etc, etc.

 
Works for me. Again, just let them know, get the names they want, and post 'em here, and we can make the change. We'll have to change cactusboy first if OG wants cactusboy as his handle.

 
Any objections? If not, I'll go ahead and contact cactusboy and OG.

One distinction to make: we are going to be changing cactusboy's login name, too? It doesn't make a visible difference, I suppose, but it would be odd for him to continue logging in under cactusboy. I think he has to embrace a new username.

 
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One distinction to make: we are going to be changing cactusboy's login name, too? It doesn't make a visible difference, I suppose, but it would be odd for him to continue logging in under cactusboy. I think he has to embrace a new username.
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I would say so. Clean break, fresh start.

 
What's the status of this? I thought we had decided to make the switch, but I see that they're both still posting under the same names.

 
I've just PMd cactusboy and given him a week to respond with a desired username change.

Got a PM from OG last night, incidentally, that said cactus is laying low and that OG is assuming we won't do anything and is fine with it. I went ahead with the PM to cactusboy, however, because this decision I feel is independent of OG's wishes.

 
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