How has the Marine Urination fiasco missed Huskerboard?

[It'sNotAFakeID]

many here say it's wrong, but act like it's not a big deal...a boys will be boys thing and you for sure can't judgde them w/out having been in their shoes. It's a white washing.

If these people want to be consistent and not hypocrites they should use that logic/rationale across the board. USC cheated...oh that's common in college sports...why all the uproar. Women are beaten in Muslim countries...that's a common thing there, what's all the uproar about? The KKK used to lynch blacks....oh that wasn't uncommon back in the day. Why do people act like it's a big deal they did that?

I mean...of course all of the above is wrong...by let's not make a big deal of it...and for sure don't judge. Afterall we weren't in the KKK's, Muslim men, or USC's shoes.

Do you seriously not understand the concept of context? Or are you just trolling here? I'm beginning to think your inability to understand where everyone else is coming from is a put-on. You cannot purport to be reasonable and yet have no ability to grasp where the other side of this conversation is coming from, and your examples are becoming more and more extreme - to the point of absurdity.

I've said there is context more than once. I understand that...but many here seem to think that context far more important than it should be. They give a token, "it's wrong..punish them" but then seem to virtually totally excuse them. I'm the one w/ the reasonable view on this incident. If I use extreme analogies it's because others keep trying to go to the other extreme w/ their whitewashing.

No one, and I'll repeat no one on this thread who has stated their opinion which magically happen to be different from yours [i know, impossible to fathom, because everyone should be reasonable like you] has said they condoned these actions. No one has said they are excusable. Everyone thinks that what those Marines did was wrong.

What we're trying to argue is that these instances are common in times of war, hence the whole concept of context, which behaviors seem to attach too [if you missed it, look up a couple of posts where I give an explanation] Contexts drive a whole lot of our behaviors wether you would like to believe it or not. Does it make any action excusable? NO! But that's not the point. The point is is that it makes their actions understandable.

You're confusing understandability with condoning.

no, there is just a fine line between understanding and excusing and I saw some crossing this line. and yes there are shades of gray in these things.

and back to the OP and others' point. How exactly has the media overreacted on this story? If some on here aren't trying to dimish what they did how much should the media reported on it? Was it in the new for more than even 2 days? I think the media gives them about the right amount of coverage, if not enough. How many are familar w/ the story where our military went and premeditarily raped a little girl and then murdered her and her family? I bet only vaguely know the story and probabl not because they heard about it in the media. I don't think they need to make these things front page stories for days or anything, but they should report on them at least at the level they have been.

Anyway, I think we've discussed this as much as we can.

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

 

[walksalone]

No one, and I'll repeat no one on this thread who has stated their opinion which magically happen to be different from yours [i know, impossible to fathom, because everyone should be reasonable like you] has said they condoned these actions. No one has said they are excusable. Everyone thinks that what those Marines did was wrong.

What we're trying to argue is that these instances are common in times of war, hence the whole concept of context, which behaviors seem to attach too [if you missed it, look up a couple of posts where I give an explanation] Contexts drive a whole lot of our behaviors wether you would like to believe it or not. Does it make any action excusable? NO! But that's not the point. The point is is that it makes their actions understandable.

You're confusing understandability with condoning.

Winner winner chicken dinner....

 

[carlfense]

No one, and I'll repeat no one on this thread who has stated their opinion which magically happen to be different from yours [i know, impossible to fathom, because everyone should be reasonable like you] has said they condoned these actions. No one has said they are excusable. Everyone thinks that what those Marines did was wrong.

What we're trying to argue is that these instances are common in times of war, hence the whole concept of context, which behaviors seem to attach too [if you missed it, look up a couple of posts where I give an explanation] Contexts drive a whole lot of our behaviors wether you would like to believe it or not. Does it make any action excusable? NO! But that's not the point. The point is is that it makes their actions understandable.

You're confusing understandability with condoning.

+1. You made some very good points.

1. We all agree that it was wrong.

2. Bad stuff happens in war.

3. It would have been better if they had not done this.

4. It would have been better if they had not filmed this.

Levy whatever punishment is deemed appropriate and move on.

 

[Cactusboy]

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got a another man driving around in his car and xxxxing his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand.

 

[Cactusboy]

4. It would have been better if they had not filmed this.

better for who? for us in the short term maybe.

 

[carlfense]

4. It would have been better if they had not filmed this.

better for who? for us in the short term maybe.

Better for our forces in Afghanistan.

Listen, this is wrong but I'm not shocked that it happened. Recording it so that it can find its way into the hands of the people we are trying to win over is just idiotic.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got a another man driving around in his car and xxxxing his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand.

Exactly! I'm glad you finally understand the point. There is hope after all!

 

[Cactusboy]

4. It would have been better if they had not filmed this.

better for who? for us in the short term maybe.

Better for our forces in Afghanistan.

Listen, this is wrong but I'm not shocked that it happened. Recording it so that it can find its way into the hands of the people we are trying to win over is just idiotic.

I agree...anyone that records their crimes is stupid and it can backfire on them and the group they represent while doing it.

 

[Cactusboy]

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got a another man driving around in his car and xxxxing his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand.

Exactly! I'm glad you finally understand the point. There is hope after all!

and i've said...just at least stay consistent w/ that logic/rationale. Like understanding why islamists students and militants took over the American Embassy in Iran in 79. Google "Iran shah 1953"

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got a another man driving around in his car and xxxxing his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand.

Exactly! I'm glad you finally understand the point. There is hope after all!

and i've said...just at least stay consistent w/ that logic/rationale. Like understanding why islamists students and militants took over the American Embassy in Iran in 79. Google "Iran shah 1953"

I know what happened in 1953.

Don't mince the lines between understanding and condoning, they are two separate words with two separate meanings.

 

[Cactusboy]

And there are countless and countless of other instances too. What about My Lai? That got it's fair share of coverage. What happened to those soldiers? I'll let you figure that out.

We are all responsible for our own actions. Nothing we do is excusable, merely understandable. Understandability doesn't make something excusable.

So you gotta look at OJ's situation. He's paying $25,000 a month in alimony, got a another man driving around in his car and xxxxing his wife in a house he's still paying the mortgage on. Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand.

Exactly! I'm glad you finally understand the point. There is hope after all!

and i've said...just at least stay consistent w/ that logic/rationale. Like understanding why islamists students and militants took over the American Embassy in Iran in 79. Google "Iran shah 1953"

I know what happened in 1953.

Don't mince the lines between understanding and condoning, they are two separate words with two separate meanings.

exactly...We both are saying they should have taken the American hostages...but we understand.

 

[Apathy]

Boys will be boys.

Mike Gundy will disagree with you because they look like they're in their 40's lol

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

exactly...We both are saying they should have taken the American hostages...but we understand.

Exactly. Now my question to you, since you seem so eager to sarcastically toss my argument aside like it is complete crap is: were their actions justified? Were their actions approvable by the United States? By their foreign government?

Please, whatever you do, do not talk down to me. Especially when it comes to psychological mechanisms and concepts.

 

[Cactusboy]

exactly...We both are saying they should have taken the American hostages...but we understand.

Exactly. Now my question to you, since you seem so eager to sarcastically toss my argument aside like it is complete crap is: were their actions justified? Were their actions approvable by the United States? By their foreign government?

Please, whatever you do, do not talk down to me. Especially when it comes to psychological mechanisms and concepts.

It seems like your new questions are changing the subject. That's fine, I just want to be clear on that before we move on.

and it wasn't sarcasm at all...I'm just finding common ground and making sure we are both consistent.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

They aren't and you didn't answer my questions.