schriznoeder
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Speaking of indictments, two people who are under federal indictment (Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins) got elected to the House. Seems reasonable.
2018 mid-term
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Speaking of indictments, two people who are under federal indictment (Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins) got elected to the House. Seems reasonable.
Danny Bateman
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I mean it's a deeply conservative state. It's not like they're just going to roll over and welcome a full-blown lazy socialist takeover. It's going to have some checks.
I don't disagree there are people who game the system. I just think it's worth the loss helping them if it means we can help those who legitimately need it. @deedsker actually makes a good point. There are some people who work their tails off and barely make ends meet who pay premiums to maintain health insurance that is functionally useless for them. They will benefit them if they fall below that 138% poverty level.
schriznoeder
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This is fantastic (thread).
Danny Bateman
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Also, a dead guy who owned the Bunny Ranch was the first state leg district just called in NV. Died a week or two ago.
It'sNotAFakeID
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I don't for one second believe this was a win for the GOP because they reinforced their Senate majority. Chances are they were going to do that anyways - they could have done nothing (which they literally did) and gained more seats than Democrats simply because there were more Democratic seats up for grabs than GOP seats.
That Cruz won was disappointing, but not surprising. This was a good night for Democrats as they now control the House and can provide oversight. But its up to House Dems to legislate, not just investigate. They can't afford to overplay their hand here.
I will be interested to see the voter turnout, but I believe it was high, which is another good sign. People rarely turn out for the midterms so just wait until 2020.
That Cruz won was disappointing, but not surprising. This was a good night for Democrats as they now control the House and can provide oversight. But its up to House Dems to legislate, not just investigate. They can't afford to overplay their hand here.
I will be interested to see the voter turnout, but I believe it was high, which is another good sign. People rarely turn out for the midterms so just wait until 2020.
Mierin
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In 2020 the Republicans will be defending 20-22 seats and the Democrats will be defending 11-13 seats. (I think there were 2 special elections for seats that will need to be won again).
Most of these are red states but there is Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Maine. On the other hand the Democrats will be defending Alabama and Virginia. I doubt the Democrats will be a shoe in to win the Senate in 2020.
One bit of good news for Democrats is this election was during a good economy and the recession is projected to hit June 2020.
Most of these are red states but there is Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and Maine. On the other hand the Democrats will be defending Alabama and Virginia. I doubt the Democrats will be a shoe in to win the Senate in 2020.
One bit of good news for Democrats is this election was during a good economy and the recession is projected to hit June 2020.
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Danny Bateman
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I think if they nominate someone good in 2020 and Trump continues his current trajectory, all bets are off. Doug Jones is an almost certain loss unless Alabama substantially changes between now and then or the GOP nominates another pedophile. Tonight they passed fetal personhood & the right to display the Ten Commandments on public property by ballot measure. So that's probably another -1 in the Senate column.
Dems will need to continue to figure out how to cut into Republican's lead in rural America, which Trump makes hard. But the map will be much more favorable. But the coattails if Dems nominate a broadly popular candidate and Trump is flailing will be very generous even in red states.
Another thing to remember is that the House gains would have been much larger tonight with this margin without gerrymandering. Not sure we really learned too much tonight. But the GOP became Trumpier. Which is a huge turn off for a lot of us.
Big Red 40
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So is Dems gaining control of the house a big deal or not ? How so ?
Is the GOP increasing their majority in the senate a big deal ? Why ?
I’m Getting mixed answers all over on those questions what do you guys think ?
Is the GOP increasing their majority in the senate a big deal ? Why ?
I’m Getting mixed answers all over on those questions what do you guys think ?
Danny Bateman
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House - yes. They will be able to provide oversight on Trump because they will assume control of all House congressional committees. The majority has a majority on committees as well, so they can subpoena and investigate things they are concerned about re: Trump, his cabinet, Congress itself or anything else in the public interest. They may not be able to pass a lot of dynamite legislation out of the House because their majority may not be as large as it would be without gerrymandering, meaning they run into the same problem the GOP had in the Senate.
Senate - Yes, but less so, IMO, since they already had the majority. They can pass more conservative, Trumpy stuff if they want but it won't get through the House if there is no bipartisan support. Honestly the rural red areas leaning more strongly into Trump and the GOP itself becoming more Trumpy are the biggest stories of the night here. A lot of the new GOP senators won by explicitly hugging Trump as much as they could. Most of the Dem moderates lost. Also, in the House, the House Freedom Caucus is going to get bigger. Things are going to get more partisan. Our rural/urban divide is getting larger.
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knapplc
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As the dust settles on this election, a couple of things are clear to me:
1) The people who reject Trump's ugly brand of politics are getting out the vote.
2) The Democrats still don't have a unifying message or strong leader
That makes 2020 very interesting. The election is in two years, meaning candidates need to start ramping up their campaigns within the next 8-10 months. Who will it be? Which Democrat is going to be that leader? Because with no clear message and no strong leader, Trump's going to roll in his reelection bid unless enough people vote "Never Trump" and pick the same alternative candidate.
There's a long time to go between now and then, and I guess we'll have to see what Mueller does. But the Democrats have the same problem they had since President Obama's term ended - nobody knows who or what they are.
1) The people who reject Trump's ugly brand of politics are getting out the vote.
2) The Democrats still don't have a unifying message or strong leader
That makes 2020 very interesting. The election is in two years, meaning candidates need to start ramping up their campaigns within the next 8-10 months. Who will it be? Which Democrat is going to be that leader? Because with no clear message and no strong leader, Trump's going to roll in his reelection bid unless enough people vote "Never Trump" and pick the same alternative candidate.
There's a long time to go between now and then, and I guess we'll have to see what Mueller does. But the Democrats have the same problem they had since President Obama's term ended - nobody knows who or what they are.
Ratt Mhule
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Okay since you wont answer my question and tell me what you think DACA is then I will answer it for you. First of all, you keep saying DACA illegals. How can someone be illegal when they are in a program that gives them LEGAL status? They are as legal as someone who has a visa or a green card, which are also LEGAL people. Therefore, they cannot be DACA illegals.
Secondly, these are young people that have been here pretty much their entire lives. They only speak english and know nothing about their country of origin. They pay taxes just like you and I. They go to college and work high paying jobs. A lot of them work in important fields: medicine, science, etc. Jesus, 900 of them fight in our military!! These are people we should WANT in this country and can HELP this country. Just admit it already, you dont like people that look different than you thats why DACA bothers you so much.
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commando
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well... the right wing media has most viewers believing that every one of them is a bad hombre here to rape and kill white americans....and every immigrant mother who crosses the border is more than 9 months pregnant and just holding those babies in to plop out the MS-13 tattooed babies as soon as they reach america.
Ratt Mhule
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Live look at the Democrats running for the presidency in 2020 (and also, I just like cinemagraphs).
Hopefully O’Rourke is the nominee. He went into a very, very red state and put up a hell of a fight. He also became very well known during the election to people not from the state of Texas. He is young, charismatic and seems like a good person. Maybe him losing Texas senate pushes him to run for president.
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Ratt Mhule
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Well thats why watching state sponsored media like fox news can be dangerous. Its the equivalent to people watching the news in NK and being brainwashed into believing whatever KJU wants them to know.