http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/third-party-candidates-hillary-polls/2016/08/05/id/742344/I do think there are some. I was a Bernie supporter and def looked at the libertarian and green parties - once I read about their stance on issues it was easy to commit to Hillary, but sadly I don't think all folks do adequate research to come to that conclusion, or think of the ramifications of splitting the vote.Interesting thought. So are you saying there may be many more frustrated Dem voters who may vote for a 3rd party candidate that could tip the scales the other way? I guess I didn't see it that way but it is indeed possible. Stein has picked up support. Berine's supporters are not Hillary lovers by any means. I wonder which states may be at that tipping point - purple states that might tip red if the 3rd party candidate takes enough votes from Hillary??Well said TG.I'm going to get on myand rant a bit. I'm thinking that there may be some Trump supporters or others who read the often negative comments about Trump in these forums and conclude that this is a Democratic Party opinion page. It is not. The fact is that many of us who are negative on Trump are far from being liberal democrats or supportive of Hillary. I'll talk specifically of myself now. I have been a long term republican - since 1976. I have voted for the the repub presidential candidate since then (occasionally vote for a dem for House, Senate and other local/state offices). I consider myself to be a constitutional conservative. So in pointing out Trump's negatives, I am in no way giving an endorsement of Hillary. I think you all know I have a strong distaste for Hillary (understatement I know - as I occasionally post knee jerk posts about her) I think many people's frustration wt Trump is knowing the republican party could have done so much better with a number of qualified candidates - the party let us down and allowed Trump to control the narrative that led to his election. The party should have had the balls to disavow Trump in the early stages and not allow Trump to define the party into his image. Most of us already know Hillary -she is a crook and also not worthy of the position. Yes, there is enough info on Hillary to fill this forum up, but we already know what we got in her. I think my frustration is that she is the worse candidate on the Dem side since at least 1988 if not since 1976 yet the Repubs blew the chance by nominating an even worse candidate on their end. We as voters deserve better. Even those of you who support Hillary, I believe, know that there should have been better candidates presented to the voters - even if you liked her policies 100% - her trustworthiness alone should tell you there are better people who could represent her policies.
So as a long term repub presidential voter, I'm left wt voting for a 3rd party candidate who will not get elected and in so doing, I may inadvertently end up helping to elect someone I cannot stomach.Fortunately for me in Oklahoma, I can take cover in knowing that our electoral votes will end up going to Trump & not Hillary as every county in our state went to Romney last time around - the 'reddest of the red states'. So, I know my vote won't push Oklahoma over to the Hillary side. But, elsewhere, voters have the real dilemma knowing that their vote for a 3rd party candidate could help to elect Hillary. I hope that the Senate and House remain Republican if that were to occur to balance her out. End of Rant
I don't think we should underestimate the impact of those who can vote 3rd party. While it may better fit their current emotions and desire for leadership, I think that there is a gap in understanding that depending on the state one is in (or county etc) that vote may actually help Trump get into office.
I wish there was a way to communicate that succinctly - that essentially (as a general rule) a vote for 3rd party is a vote for Trump in many/most cases.
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Edit: I'd think NH, ME, VT might be purpleish states based on how they approach politics. I'd really have to think about others.
The Bold - fetch my cane, you youngster!!TG...all of what you said is basically why I'm so pissed off this election.I'm going to get on myand rant a bit. I'm thinking that there may be some Trump supporters or others who read the often negative comments about Trump in these forums and conclude that this is a Democratic Party opinion page. It is not. The fact is that many of us who are negative on Trump are far from being liberal democrats or supportive of Hillary. I'll talk specifically of myself now. I have been a long term republican - since 1976. I have voted for the the repub presidential candidate since then (occasionally vote for a dem for House, Senate and other local/state offices). I consider myself to be a constitutional conservative. So in pointing out Trump's negatives, I am in no way giving an endorsement of Hillary. I think you all know I have a strong distaste for Hillary (understatement I know - as I occasionally post knee jerk posts about her) I think many people's frustration wt Trump is knowing the republican party could have done so much better with a number of qualified candidates - the party let us down and allowed Trump to control the narrative that led to his election. The party should have had the balls to disavow Trump in the early stages and not allow Trump to define the party into his image. Most of us already know Hillary -she is a crook and also not worthy of the position. Yes, there is enough info on Hillary to fill this forum up, but we already know what we got in her. I think my frustration is that she is the worse candidate on the Dem side since at least 1988 if not since 1976 yet the Repubs blew the chance by nominating an even worse candidate on their end. We as voters deserve better. Even those of you who support Hillary, I believe, know that there should have been better candidates presented to the voters - even if you liked her policies 100% - her trustworthiness alone should tell you there are better people who could represent her policies.
So as a long term repub presidential voter, I'm left wt voting for a 3rd party candidate who will not get elected and in so doing, I may inadvertently end up helping to elect someone I cannot stomach.Fortunately for me in Oklahoma, I can take cover in knowing that our electoral votes will end up going to Trump & not Hillary as every county in our state went to Romney last time around - the 'reddest of the red states'. So, I know my vote won't push Oklahoma over to the Hillary side. But, elsewhere, voters have the real dilemma knowing that their vote for a 3rd party candidate could help to elect Hillary. I hope that the Senate and House remain Republican if that were to occur to balance her out. End of Rant
I have a different view with one part though. I don't necessarily blame the party. I seriously blame the voters who voted this idiot to be the nomination. I'm talking about the ones who voted for him in the first half of the primaries. What a bunch of lazy illogical voters. Because of their love of watching him act like a 2 year old in debates, the rest of the Republican voters really had no choice in the matter. Those voters are the ones that turned this election into the crap pile it is.
One of the things that really fries my cookie is when I say I'm not voting for Trump and the first reaction is...."How can you support Hillary?" I have made it clear here that I have absolutely no desire for her to be in office. But, the Republicans then need to nominate someone better. Epic FAIL!!!!!
Quite frankly, even if I were in a swing state, there is absolutely no way in hell I could vote for Trump. Pull your heads out of your asses if you want me to vote for your nominee.
PS.....glad I'm not as old as you. I've only been a Republican since 1985.
It's humorous to me that Trump is billed as such a "straight shooter" who "just tells it like it is" without resorting to "politically correct speech."
