A man you can bait with a Tweet

zoogs said:
This is my pledge to the American people: as your President I will be your greatest champion.
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This part isn't wrong, though. And it's kind of dangerous. Refer back to the 'Great Man' thread somebody started.

Presidents are office administrators and bureaucrats, but to get there they'd sure like you to see them as heroes. Lone saviors in a dark world. A guiding light to stem the tides of evil. Give them your undying loyalty and admiration.
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Can you hear these words coming out of his mouth though?

My guess is he would word it something like, "I'm great. I'm the greatest guy you could elect because I'm going to do amazing things. Things nobody else could do. I have created thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs that have helped people. Nobody has helped as many people as me. I'm the most amazing supporter of people that there is, I mean I hear a lot of people saying that they wish they could support people like I do. I build buildings, my daughter is a beautiful woman. Women love me - ask anybody, I'm very popular with women. Women't can't get enough of me."

 
Something kinda kooky - I was on FB reading his comments and decided to chime in. Every time I tried to type it froze up and the keypad delayed significantly - I got the circle of death. I logged off and back on three times and never was I able to write to him. I can access all my info, get onto friends pages and etc with no issues. Call me crazy (and I'm not one to have grand thoughts about conspiracy) but I think it's set up to only allow positive supporters to comment - if you have time check it out.

 
Oh, of course not. He wouldn't start off a tweet, write "cont:", and continue with a link either.

There's nothing wrong with having a social media team, or speechwriters. It's just there's a difference between having media professionals help you hone your message, versus doing all your work for you because you don't have a coherent message at all. The latter seems the case here, where there's plainly no connection at all between this kind of standard GOP messaging and the man himself. He reveals that every time he opens his actual mouth.

If we consider such developments good, then we are rooting for Trump to act as a child king with others behind the scenes pulling the actual levers of, you know, "domestic and foreign policy". If it's bad, then we recognize that these are words with literally no meaning.

My last post there was just commentary on the (standard) strategic argument being made. It's the way we come to view presidential elections. I don't think it's healthy. You'd hope for elections to be simply referendums on the day's policy debates (i.e, "Should we do this healthcare thing? What do you all think?"), but then they devolve into appeals to personal honor. Whom do you admire enough to adopt as your banner? Who will you choose as your champion and idol? Etc.

 
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zoogs said:
There's nothing wrong with having a social media team, or speechwriters. It's just there's a difference between having media professionals help you hone your message, versus doing all your work for you because you don't have a coherent message at all. The latter seems the case here, where there's plainly no connection at all between this kind of standard GOP messaging and the man himself. He reveals that every time he opens his actual mouth.

If we consider such developments good, then we are rooting for Trump to act as a child king with others behind the scenes pulling the actual levers of, you know, "domestic and foreign policy". If it's bad, then we recognize that these are words with literally no meaning.
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Bingo.

I guess it's positive that Trump had nearly a distraction-free day? It appears they revoked his social media from him completely today and churned out some standard presidential fare for him. He also gave a neatly scripted speech completely off the teleprompter and managed to avoid sticking his foot in his mouth-- I think? I don't really pay attention when he is on TV anymore. Of course, he still badly mischaracterized his opponents, because I saw headlines like "Trump: We reject the bigotry of Clinton" and "Trump: Clinton 'against the police'". So he's still lying or at best stretching the truth, but he didn't go completely off script and kick out any babies or ascribe any terrorist organizations to sitting presidents or call for violence.

But how sad is it that we've set the bar so ridiculously low for this man that the above is considered the best day he's had in a long time? I get that Trump is a unique entity, an outsider, but these are the absolute barebones basics of running for president.

And, of course, the fact that the only way this works is if they bottle him up and lead him around by the hand. At that point, he's been reduced to merely the conduit for messages independent of his own, chosen by others. He's a puppet, and he knows it. But today is the same day he talked about not wanting to pivot and being who he is. This will not last long. It never does.

 
lol, I love this thread.. How many of you Trump bashers are voting for Hillary? I would bet a large portion of you do, which makes it all the more comical.

 
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I've got an honest question about Trump and this seemed like the place for it. I've seen lots of people claim that Trump is a marketing genius, that he made this presidential run to boost his brand and that he can't lose either way.

How in the hell can what he is doing boost his brand?

Seems to me that any thinking person would reject everything about this blowhard, including anything his name is associated with. I understand that in our sick world, lots of times, any media exposure is good and even bad publicity can have a beneficial effect but damn. I used to not have much of an opinion about the man but did think his brand had value. After listening to this guy and seeing what he stands for, I would never consider having anything to do with anything his name is associated with. This has to be having an extremely negative effect on his "brand", doesn't it? How can any of this be helping him in the slightest? The people he seems to be attracting don't strike me as the type of people to live lavishly and travel, staying in high end accomodations. I really don't get it. This has to absolutely be hammering his brand, and I mean in a devastating way. Anybody have a take on how this can be seen any other way?

 
JJHusker1 said:
I've got an honest question about Trump and this seemed like the place for it. I've seen lots of people claim that Trump is a marketing genius, that he made this presidential run to boost his brand and that he can't lose either way.

How in the hell can what he is doing boost his brand?

Seems to me that any thinking person would reject everything about this blowhard, including anything his name is associated with. I understand that in our sick world, lots of times, any media exposure is good and even bad publicity can have a beneficial effect but damn. I used to not have much of an opinion about the man but did think his brand had value. After listening to this guy and seeing what he stands for, I would never consider having anything to do with anything his name is associated with. This has to be having an extremely negative effect on his "brand", doesn't it? How can any of this be helping him in the slightest? The people he seems to be attracting don't strike me as the type of people to live lavishly and travel, staying in high end accomodations. I really don't get it. This has to absolutely be hammering his brand, and I mean in a devastating way. Anybody have a take on how this can be seen any other way?
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That is a good question and I never thought of it that way. According to Foursquare (a location tracking company on mobile devises), the foot traffic to his hotels, casinos, and golf courses is down since he announced.

But after he became Trump the presidential candidate, Foursquare found his properties didn’t see their usual seasonal boost and, by August 2015, the share of people hoofing it to all Trump properties was down 17 percent from the same period in 2014. After stabilizing to single-digit losses, the start of primary season primetime in March 2016 saw a 17 percent drop in share of people at Trump properties.

The picture is more dire in the breakdown of foot traffic to Trump properties in traditionally red vs. blue states, bearing in mind that Trump properties are located mostly in blue states and rely on guests who live in the region, according to Foursquare. Across Trump locations in New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Hawaii, foot traffic started to take a hit in March 2016, with the year-on-year share losses widening to 20 percent in July.

The losses were even worse among women, whose visits sustained double-digit losses. In blue states, Foursquare found visits from women to Trump properties were down 29 percent in July.

 
I agree with you JJ - as I said somewhere awhile back, unless he gets his brand into straight jackets and psych meds I don't see how this campaign helps him.

 
Ask Creighton Duke.

Trump isn't actually losing. We'll wake up the night after in November, shocked.

To be completely fair, I'm not certain we can say this won't happen. If those who oppose Trump as much as they say they do, it needs to translate into action at the polls, or it ends up being little more than teeth-gnashing as Trump and people like him come away with victories.

 
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I love this idea that "the American people" speak with one voice. When Trump pursues policies that Americans don't disagree with, to whom is he answering? The American People? The GOP? Some random "great guy" who heaps adulation upon him? Himself?

 
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