Abortion Question

Nearly every abortion kills an unborn child by stopping a beating heart. I imagine a heartbeat can be detected very soon after conception and probably not long after the woman becomes aware she 'may' be pregnant.

I believe most states in the U.S. protect the unborn child as a 'person' for purposes of murder in the event that an assault occurs against the woman. Someone punches her in the stomach and she 'aborts' the baby and loses her child can and quite probably would be charged with murder. However, if the Planned Parenthood 'doctor' convinces her to let him suck the 'fetus' (he will call it that instead of unborn baby of course) out of her with a shop vac and some vice grips and a sharp knife, and liberals call that 'healthcare' and a woman's 'right to choose' and perfectly legal and in fact so vital that we need federal tax money to subisidize this a couple million times a year.

Abortion by any other name is still the killing of an unborn baby (although the 'partial birth' abortion is actually the killing of a born baby as apparently for the late term 'babies' it is much easier for the abortionist to simply deliver the baby and then kill it on the table rather than have to do all that work in the tight confines of the woman's birth canal and womb. The entire subject is horrible to discuss and needs to be shown weekly on national television around the supper hour so the great bulk of decent, moral and righteous people will honestly know what is going on every day in the name of 'the woman's right to choos'.

Morally and ethically and logically, the only truly legal abortion would one where under the fundamental right every person has to self defense, the continued existence of the unborn child in the woman threatens her life. Truly ONLY if the choice is between saving the mother or the baby is there a reasonable argument as to the woman having the 'right to choose' in my view. One can argue also that if it becomes a choice between the value of the mother's life versus the life of the unborn baby, there are plenty of grounds to maintain the baby's life has more social value than the mother. She has already had a good number of years of life and so we must decide whether an innocent child is more worthy of saving that an adult. This gets into some very heavy and difficult 'factual' discussions beyond the scope of this discussion. Self defense of one's own life is really the ONLY justification a woman has for killing her baby, born or not. No different that any other life and death situations. One has the right to defense one-self and the lives of others against the unjustified attack or threat by another person or persons.

Protecting one's 'lifestyle' or personal freedom from the responsibility for caring for a child one brought into being is NOT sufficient. The pregnancy that results from rape is tragic and most regrettable to say the least. Whether or not a woman has the right to kill that innocent baby just because the father of the said child is repulsive or reprehensible as a human being is of course another issue. Surely she would not be rendered an outcast from society if she rightfully chose to give the baby up for adoption or otherwise as she ought not be obligated to care for and raise an unwanted child.

 
I don't like abortion, but I'm pro-choice. One thought that I go back to is those using contraceptives. There is still a possibility of pregnancy; I personally know someone who become pregnant despite an IUD. The couple chose to have to baby, and I agree with that decision, but I still think that was their decision to make. They were in school, and it was a life-changing and career altering decision for both of them. They were being responsible with contraceptives and still got pregnant (I understand abstinence is the only certain).

My personal belief, there should be time period allowed for abortion. I saw a mention of 5.5 weeks for a heartbeat, but some people don't even know they're pregnant within that period of time. Without getting into the weeds, maybe it should be allowed within the first trimester. I think I saw 0% viability at 21 weeks, and only 50% viability at 24 weeks. After that, I think it should be allowed when there is significant risk to the mother's health.

 
So what happens when we pull the plug on someone who is brain dead and has a heart beat? Is that murder?

 
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Don't Christians believe the aborted baby goes directly to heaven? So doesn't that make them the lucky ones? They get to bypass this world of sin and the possibility of hell and go straight to heaven. At least that is what I believed when I was big into religion.
Yeah, I've heard that. And I know there are some who believe it. But I'm not sure where this belief came from. If you look at Christianity throughout history with a critical eye, you can come up with all sorts of odd beliefs and superstitions.
So you believe you can only get to heaven by proving yourself on Earth first?

 
I dont like abortion, but its up to the individual if they want to be parents or not. If the child is born into a family thay doesnt want it. Into a world that doesnt care about it. Into a govt that argues about whether to help it. Its not good for that person either.

How many times have you looked at someone and said that person should never reproduce because their kids do whatever they want and you can tell the parents dont give a sh#t? Its a daily basis for me.
I feel the same way.
I will get ridicule for this but if a woman goes in for an abortion because she simply doesnt want a child, she should receive the abortion and then be fixed that same day. This wouldnt aplly to women that have been raped, have medical issues or the fetus having medical issues. This would be for the women that cant stop spreading their legs and not taking precautions.

 
Don't Christians believe the aborted baby goes directly to heaven? So doesn't that make them the lucky ones? They get to bypass this world of sin and the possibility of hell and go straight to heaven. At least that is what I believed when I was big into religion.
Yeah, I've heard that. And I know there are some who believe it. But I'm not sure where this belief came from. If you look at Christianity throughout history with a critical eye, you can come up with all sorts of odd beliefs and superstitions.
So you believe you can only get to heaven by proving yourself on Earth first?
Wow, that question is out of left field. I'm not sure what it has to do with abortion, but I'll answer as best as I can. I believe people get to heaven through faith—faith in God and in Jesus Christ. To the extent that our actions on earth demonstrate our faith, I'd say, yes.

 
I dont like abortion, but its up to the individual if they want to be parents or not. If the child is born into a family thay doesnt want it. Into a world that doesnt care about it. Into a govt that argues about whether to help it. Its not good for that person either.

How many times have you looked at someone and said that person should never reproduce because their kids do whatever they want and you can tell the parents dont give a sh#t? Its a daily basis for me.
I feel the same way. I will get ridicule for this but if a woman goes in for an abortion because she simply doesnt want a child, she should receive the abortion and then be fixed that same day. This wouldnt aplly to women that have been raped, have medical issues or the fetus having medical issues. This would be for the women that cant stop spreading their legs and not taking precautions.
Accidents happen dude...
 
1) I hate the idea of abortion but I've never felt I had the place to tell a woman what to do with her body, particularly if the child was forced upon her (i.e. sexual assault). But, to me, it is life.

2) I think the answer to this depends on the woman and her feelings on children. Some people never want to have kids, so I imagine abortion may be less offensive to them. Some people, however, try desperately to have kids and are unable to so they have to consider adoption. I think the latter group of people may be more likely offended by abortion.

 
I dont like abortion, but its up to the individual if they want to be parents or not. If the child is born into a family thay doesnt want it. Into a world that doesnt care about it. Into a govt that argues about whether to help it. Its not good for that person either.

How many times have you looked at someone and said that person should never reproduce because their kids do whatever they want and you can tell the parents dont give a sh#t? Its a daily basis for me.
I feel the same way. I will get ridicule for this but if a woman goes in for an abortion because she simply doesnt want a child, she should receive the abortion and then be fixed that same day. This wouldnt aplly to women that have been raped, have medical issues or the fetus having medical issues. This would be for the women that cant stop spreading their legs and not taking precautions.
Good idea. Sterilize all them lady folk who don't know how to act. Out there gettin' pregnant all on their own. They're the only ones responsible. No need for nuance or understanding, just make broad brush generalizations about a group of people making the most private and difficult decisions of their lives.

I'm sure you've never made a mistake in your life.

 
Don't Christians believe the aborted baby goes directly to heaven? So doesn't that make them the lucky ones? They get to bypass this world of sin and the possibility of hell and go straight to heaven. At least that is what I believed when I was big into religion.
Yeah, I've heard that. And I know there are some who believe it. But I'm not sure where this belief came from. If you look at Christianity throughout history with a critical eye, you can come up with all sorts of odd beliefs and superstitions.
So you believe you can only get to heaven by proving yourself on Earth first?
Wow, that question is out of left field. I'm not sure what it has to do with abortion, but I'll answer as best as I can. I believe people get to heaven through faith—faith in God and in Jesus Christ. To the extent that our actions on earth demonstrate our faith, I'd say, yes.
Its wasn't out of left field. I said don't Christians believe unborn children that are either miscarried or aborted go directly to heaven. You said you don't know where this belief came from. Let me rephrase it, if Christians believe fetus's have life, where do they go when they are miscarried or aborted?

 
Don't Christians believe the aborted baby goes directly to heaven? So doesn't that make them the lucky ones? They get to bypass this world of sin and the possibility of hell and go straight to heaven. At least that is what I believed when I was big into religion.
Yeah, I've heard that. And I know there are some who believe it. But I'm not sure where this belief came from. If you look at Christianity throughout history with a critical eye, you can come up with all sorts of odd beliefs and superstitions.
So you believe you can only get to heaven by proving yourself on Earth first?
Wow, that question is out of left field. I'm not sure what it has to do with abortion, but I'll answer as best as I can. I believe people get to heaven through faith—faith in God and in Jesus Christ. To the extent that our actions on earth demonstrate our faith, I'd say, yes.
Its wasn't out of left field. I said don't Christians believe unborn children that are either miscarried or aborted go directly to heaven. You said you don't know where this belief came from. Let me rephrase it, if Christians believe fetus's have life, where do they go when they are miscarried or aborted?
And like I said above, I'm not sure where that belief came from. I can see where it would be a comforting thought to some people. But I can't point to anything that supports it.

 
I dont like abortion, but its up to the individual if they want to be parents or not. If the child is born into a family thay doesnt want it. Into a world that doesnt care about it. Into a govt that argues about whether to help it. Its not good for that person either.

How many times have you looked at someone and said that person should never reproduce because their kids do whatever they want and you can tell the parents dont give a sh#t? Its a daily basis for me.
I feel the same way.
I will get ridicule for this but if a woman goes in for an abortion because she simply doesnt want a child, she should receive the abortion and then be fixed that same day. This wouldnt aplly to women that have been raped, have medical issues or the fetus having medical issues. This would be for the women that cant stop spreading their legs and not taking precautions.
"Fixed"? Are you f'ing kidding me? Spreading their legs? You are out of line. Check it Stumpy.

 
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