Adrian Martinez

Hilltop said:
He hasn't been a turnover machine and I think the turnovers he has had need to be in context.  A good percentage of them, in my opinion, were created because we were behind and he was desperately trying to make something happen.  The supporting cast has to take a chunk of the blame.

Here are some interception per attempts to compare to-

Eric Crouch  606 attempts - 25 interceptions  (1 in every 24 passes)

Taylor Martinez 962 attempts - 29 interceptions (1 in every 33 passes)

Tommy Armstrong 1172 attempts - 44 interceptions (1 in every 27 passes)

Adrian Martinez 749 attempts - 20 interceptions (1 in every 37 passes)  Last seasons ration was better than 1 in 50 passes.  Another consideration, over half of Adrians snaps played to date have been against top 20 defenses.  The three guys above can't say that.

It is widely known that QB interception ratios drastically decrease when a team is playing catchup.  To me, Adrian's numbers are even more impressive when you take that into consideration.  The kid has had to play from behind quite a bit.    

Adrian was a much improved QB last year but many Husker fans don't give him the credit for the year he had because the team as a whole wasn't great.  Sure he had a couple plays that made you shake your head.  Most competitors would have with that supporting cast trying to make things happen.  

I really hope the offense clicks this year and we all get to see what he is really capable of.  I think it could be pretty dang good.    
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I'm definitely in the pro-Adrian camp, but interceptions aren't the only way to turn the ball over. He fumbles a lot - I suspect the others did as well, but the fumbling has hurt us a lot. And sometimes it's just a good play by the defender, or a a free hit given up like the end of the Iowa game, but for the most part when it comes down to it fumbles are an individual issue.

I'm optimistic for this year, but turnovers are a big concern. After NW he didn't throw a pick until Rutgers, but the 2 in that game were pretty terrible and the fumbles were a constant. 

 
hskrfan4life said:
Man I wish I was in a place where I could crap on a kid playing for my favorite football team and none the less question his desire, toughness and etc. I think he's going to prove people wrong this year. 
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And the thing is, couldn't we say he already proved those things in year one? He was a machine.

Put that same supporting cast in there from year one along with an even slightly better offensive line in front of him, combined with the significant defensive improvements Chinander has brought in and we go 9-3*.

*If special teams improve

 
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BigRedBuster said:
That "patient" offense scored 34.5 points per game.

I'll never understand why so many Husker fans try to down play Crouch's accomplishments.
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I'll never understand why so many Husker fans don't understand that Nebraska's old school ball control offense was made possible by a ball control defense.  How many games in the glory years did we see the Nebraska offense slowly wear the defense down before running away with the game? Pretty different story when the defense immediately gives those scores back, or puts the offense in a hole. As someone just pointed out, the offensive numbers get skewed and pass happy when the team has to play from behind. 

That Eric Crouch was one of the weaker Heisman winners in history is common lore, but he was a great Husker QB without doubt. 

The question as I understand it is imagining yourself as Frank Solich, or even Tom Osborne, and your looking at a stable of Tommy Armstrong, Adrian Martinez, Taylor Martinez, and Eric Crouch to run your vintage Nebraska offense backed by a typical Nebraska defense. I think Tom Osborne would be thrilled by the skill level of all four, and I'm not so sure any coach would go with the would-be Heisman winner. 

Crouch and Solich's best team was the 1999 squad that went 12-1, ranked #3, and was one play away from a National Championship. That team led the NCAA in lost fumbles -- by a lot -- and still dominated. That's what a good defense lets you do. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Yeah Crouch carried that team offensively because he called his own number a lot and he really was tough as nails. But the Dan Alexander/Correll Buckhalter platoon was hardly a slouch.  Dahhran Diedtrick had a 1,300 yard season with Crouch for gosh sakes. Crouch had some of the best QB runs ever.....until Taylor Martinez came around....who also passed better than Crouch. More to the point, if Eric Crouch (or Tommie Frazier) had a 2011 - 2021 Nebraska defense on the other side of the ball, he doesn't win a Heisman and we're not really talking about Eric Crouch on this thread.

Those old Nebraska offenses could afford to be patient when the defense was allowing 12 points a game. 

Now if Adrian Martinez had Crouch's fearlessness, maybe we'd be on to something.

For the record, I'm not "smoking" anything. I've switched to edibles. 
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Let's narrow in on probably the most important part of this thread.  We talking gummies, cookies, chocolate bars?  I've been on the kiva bars lately, hands down most consistent edible I've had the delight of enjoying the past few years.  Always looking for new recommendations tho

 
gossamorharpy said:
Let's narrow in on probably the most important part of this thread.  We talking gummies, cookies, chocolate bars?  I've been on the kiva bars lately, hands down most consistent edible I've had the delight of enjoying the past few years.  Always looking for new recommendations tho
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I'm new to edibles myself, and so far have found them so subtle and slow-release that I often forget I'm stoned.

 
BigRedBuster said:
I just don't get it.  It's like there are some Husker fans that are pissed that he even won it.  
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Pissed? That's a little strong. I think Nebraska fans are pretty football savvy, and simply recognize that Crouch won a split vote in a weak field -- at the same time the Huskers were handed a National Championship game they didn't deserve --  and that the national grumbling over it wasn't unjustified. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Pissed? That's a little strong. I think Nebraska fans are pretty football savvy, and simply recognize that Crouch won a split vote in a weak field -- at the same time the Huskers were handed a National Championship game they didn't deserve --  and that the national grumbling over it wasn't unjustified. 
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I said it's "like they are".  It constantly gets brought up like they are ashamed of it or something.  The kid won the Heisman.  I really don't care about the rest.  He was an absolute stud and if he wasn't he wouldn't have even been in the top 3-4 to get invited to NY.  

So, do Husker fans wish he wasn't even good enough to get invited to NY?

 
hskrfan4life said:
Yea, while it's nice to see Nebraska players do well after college it doesn't really do much for me.
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I think it helps in terms of recruiting, but I'm not sure on exactly how big of an impact.

If I'm an OL and I see the type of impact Notre Dame, Iowa or Wisconsin players are making in the NFL, I'm taking that into consideration.

 
hskrfan4life said:
I mean this is a solid list tbh

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watched Rex Grossman play in the state championship his senior year.  Best HS qb i've seen in person.  Watched Antwaan Randle El play in the old oaken bucket against Purdue and got to work out with him  when he were in the NFL.  I would say Antwaan was deserving of a Heisman.  He just played on a s#!tty team.  Rex was a SO and they weren't handing it out to the young guys back then.  Of course Freeney and Peppers were playing on the wrong side of the ball.    

 
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