Boston Marathon Explosions

How easily we set aside our morals. He did something bad - he deserves no rights.

The journey to a broken America starts with one step. The sad thing is we took that step, and many others, years ago. But nobody noticed.

And every time we take another step, it becomes easier to take yet another, and another.

 
knapplc said:
How easily we set aside our morals. He did something bad - he deserves no rights.

The journey to a broken America starts with one step. The sad thing is we took that step, and many others, years ago. But nobody noticed.

And every time we take another step, it becomes easier to take yet another, and another.
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Yep, that's exactly what everyone here has been saying.

 
knapplc said:
How easily we set aside our morals. He did something bad - he deserves no rights.
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Bad is not quite the word I would use for what he did but I understand what you are saying knap. I never said that he should not receive the fundamental rights in which our country was built upon. I only offered my opinion that I didn't care if he did or not based on his actions.

 
Walleye Hunting Husker said:
I never said that he should not receive the fundamental rights in which our country was built upon. I only offered my opinion that I didn't care if he did or not based on his actions.
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If that's not what you meant, this was a poor choice of words - something we're all guilty of at times.

Walleye Hunting Husker said:
the day he decided to knowingly hurt innocent people is the day I stopped caring about his rights.
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I'm simply stressing caution in the rhetoric here. Our friends up in Washington use times like this to stretch the envelope on civil liberties. We've seen that envelope stretched pretty badly out of shape in the past and it's being stretched again today.

 
QMany said:
beanman said:
http://www.telegraph...techniques.html
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Might help to include a quote or description instead of some random link.

Still, I'll play ...

Downrange American military personnel and the civilian contractors they work with also return home with the technical know-how to create these devices. Sinister knowledge isn't proprietary to an ethnic or religious group....

Improvised shrapnel munitions, whether they are staged in a pressure cooker or not, are easy to build with online directions or books for sale at gun shows.
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http://gawker.com/59...w-to-build-them
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I'm guessing by your bolded statement that you're assuming I was trying to claim that this bombing was from a specific ethnic group? I was just posting links with latest stuff I had found. This link was on Jester's twitter page. Just thought I'd share it since it carried some interesting info and since folks probably don't want to be googling "How to build a pressure cooker bomb" right now.

 
I think it fair to refer to it as silence. In some cases, some leaders will publically condemn these types of acts but I have not witnessed a widly held condemnation and it never seems to rise to the level of the gravity of the situation. I want to feel bad that the good are being lumped in with the bad but they sure aren't doing much to help their cause. It's easy to see how people can blur that line when it's not all that distinct of a line.

 
Sorry Carl, I did not realize your post was focusing on "he deserves no rights". As much as I am inclined to agree with BRI's sentiments, I would have to say that even in this case we do have to afford some basic rights. We cannot have individuals determining guilt without due process. But then again, if the scumbag happened to get killed in the course of apprehending him, I sure wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The only problem I have in this specific case is with people who think there was no justification to forego his Miranda rights. I will let BRI explain his comments because it is not my job and so far he has been doing a much better job of it than I.

 
I think we can all empathize with those sentiments, but it seems to me they all assume guilt. Which is pretty likely, but there's a reason we have a process for determining who is guilty and who isn't. Even in this case we can't assume he's guilty before due process. Once that happens and it's established that he's guilty he might be deprived of all his rights, and indeed his life, liberty, and all that.

The Atlantic ran a great article covering all the misconceptions surrounding Miranda "rights": LINK

As Ebyl stated a few pages ago, Dzhokhar wasn't deprived of any rights; authorities are allowed and have been allowed to detain citizens without giving them the Miranda warning. If they do so, however, they aren't allowed to use any of his statements in the court case against him. In the case of the public safety exemption, again, due process is not circumvented, but the government is able to make a case for admitting pre-Miranda warning statements into court. There's no guarantee that they will make a strong enough case that it is accepted.

In this case the other evidence was likely strong enough that they weren't too worried about potentially losing some admissible evidence.

That said, how far that exception can go does get decided in cases like this and that's something worth watching. It's possible they will ask him a ton of stuff for some duration after he was brought into custody and still try to introduce that into court. We don't know that yet, but if that happens it is a legitimate concern.

 
"Dzhokhar wasn't deprived of any rights" under current laws, loosely defined, with a wink and a nod toward what is or isn't right, moral and just.

Waterboarding isn't torture either, and we only kill insurgents with our drone strikes.

Let's all take another step down that path, shall we? It gets easier the more we do it.

 
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