Censorship

knapplc said:
It hits a sore spot because one million Americans died from Covid, many of them because of misinformation like the nonsense about ivermectin. 

How can people not care about that? That's baffling.
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I don't think 1 million people died because of Ivermectin. I know some who died because they chose not to get a Vax or use common sense if they were at risk. That was their choice. I feel bad, but all I could do is give an opinion if they asked. I wasn't going to try and force them to make a good decision. I don't know anyone personally that tried Ivermectin, but their medical history is their business not mine. There was nonsensical stuff being pushed by both sides. It was crazy.

 
knapplc said:
Elon's going to be for those people what Mueller was for anti-trumpers. 

I think a lot of people need to get ready to be disappointed. Elon Musk is not white-knighting for the little guy here. And he's not going to jilt his creditors by destroying his $50 billion investment.

My guess is a lot less things change than people think. And Elon may have just grabbed the tiger by the tail. 
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Agree

 
Enhance said:
You presuppose to know how an Elon-owned Twitter is going to be managed moving forward even though his tweet (whether on accident or on purpose) literally leaves room for interpretation. They're his words, not mine. 

The only thing hysterical, perhaps even naive, would be failing to leave open the possibility that we don't know everything and there may be room for nuance. 
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On my conference call with Elon 30 minutes ago he told me exactly what he meant by the tweet. 

Jesus... He has spoke openly about what he believes twitter SHOULD BE, which one could infer would be how he will plan to have it run.

And not to obsess over the tweet, but you seem to be so caught up on it. When he says "censorship that goes far beyond the law" I interpret that more as an accusation of the way social media is currently being run rather than getting hung up on the word "far"

You're right, no one knows for sure how exactly he'll run it. But I am taking the totality of what Elon has said as a good indication of what he's going to do, and you've chosen to fixate on a single word of a single tweet because that fits into your ideological presuppositions.

 
ActualCornHusker said:
On my conference call with Elon 30 minutes ago he told me exactly what he meant by the tweet. 

Jesus... He has spoke openly about what he believes twitter SHOULD BE, which one could infer would be how he will plan to have it run.

And not to obsess over the tweet, but you seem to be so caught up on it. When he says "censorship that goes far beyond the law" I interpret that more as an accusation of the way social media is currently being run rather than getting hung up on the word "far"

You're right, no one knows for sure how exactly he'll run it. But I am taking the totality of what Elon has said as a good indication of what he's going to do, and you've chosen to fixate on a single word of a single tweet because that fits into your ideological presuppositions.
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There has never been a good $43 Billion business plan for Twitter, and the numbers are likely to get worse, not better, with advertising and/or subscriptions.

Free speech is a sacred trust that's open to a lot of interpretation, but the first test will come when Elon Musk is asked to tame his marketplace of ideas if he wants any of his companies to do business in China.

Nobody should claim to know what will happen next. There's just no precedent. 

 
DevoHusker said:
Yes, he was referring to the vaccine, and it got him banned.

Not sure, but I believe every point came true. How is that dangerous misinformation?
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1) "It doesn't stop infection or transmission"

True. But scientists never claimed otherwise. Hence the recommendation to wear masks regardless.

2) "Don't think of it as a vaccine"

Why? The burden is on Alex here. The COVID vaccine works like every other vaccine we've taken without controversy.

3) "Think of it - at best - as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy."

Or, at best, think of it as a vaccine that dramatically reduced hospitalizations and death rates as the virus mutated, doing exactly what was hoped, claimed, and explained beforehand.

4) "and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS."

The side effect profile was flu-like symptoms among certain people, quite possibly the people most at risk of hospitalization or death without the vaccine. Plenty of anecdotal exceptions, of course, but only a fool would favor them over public policy. Also, vaccines are ALWAYS ADMINISTERED IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS! Alex. That's how they work. 

5) "And we want to mandate it?"

Some do. Some don't. Certain business and industries did as a requirement for employment. At the end of the day Americans still had the choice not to take the vaccine, and 25% of the population still hasn't received a single shot. As a result, 93% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths this past year have come from the unvaccinated.

That's freedom. The freedom to make poorly informed decisions. 

If you want to pull the numbers on how much strain those unvaccinated folks have put on our collective healthcare system (when they suddenly want these same medical elitists to save their lives) that's probably closer to insanity. 

Alex chose his words very carefully. But he's still wrong and misleading.

I wouldn't have banished him myself. But I would flag his posts and direct readers to information showing what a disingenuous f#&%wit Alex Berenson is. 

 
ActualCornHusker said:
Jesus... He has spoke openly about what he believes twitter SHOULD BE, which one could infer would be how he will plan to have it run.

You're right, no one knows for sure how exactly he'll run it. But I am taking the totality of what Elon has said as a good indication of what he's going to do
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I think all people are getting at is that even if you take his words at face value, there's still so much room for interpretation on how that plays out policy-wise. He hasn't said anything in regards to actual concrete terms of service and rules, he's only espoused an approach, and even within the approach there's plenty of grey.

There are plenty of quotes from him that show A) that he doesn't even have a great understanding of free speech laws in the first place, B) that he obviously agrees some moderation is necessary (think of porn as an example, or spam bots, both of which are legal and protected under 1A), and C) that his plan is essentially to go back to how facebook/twitter/etc. were run in the early days, before people realized it couldn't work. He says stuff like, "When in doubt, let it exist." The fuzziness of something like that doesn't work at all at scale.

 
Totally agree with Musk here. This event changed my opinion of Twitter for the worse. It was already bad with how they handled COVID. To be fair, I believe the NY Post timed the release of this story in hopes it would affect the election in Trumps favor. 











 






 







 



















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Lorewarn said:
I think all people are getting at is that even if you take his words at face value, there's still so much room for interpretation on how that plays out policy-wise. He hasn't said anything in regards to actual concrete terms of service and rules, he's only espoused an approach, and even within the approach there's plenty of grey.

There are plenty of quotes from him that show A) that he doesn't even have a great understanding of free speech laws in the first place, B) that he obviously agrees some moderation is necessary (think of porn as an example, or spam bots, both of which are legal and protected under 1A), and C) that his plan is essentially to go back to how facebook/twitter/etc. were run in the early days, before people realized it couldn't work. He says stuff like, "When in doubt, let it exist." The fuzziness of something like that doesn't work at all at scale.
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Man, if you are trying to show how you don't care about Musk buying twitter...you are doing a bad job of it.

 
teachercd said:
Man, if you are trying to show how you don't care about Musk buying twitter...you are doing a bad job of it.
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I would care more if Musk bought Huskerboard. I use twitter for jokes and news, both of which seem pretty safe, but I need a place to actually waste time talking about stuff that doesn't matter.

 
Lorewarn said:
I would care more if Musk bought Huskerboard. I use twitter for jokes and news, both of which seem pretty safe, but I need a place to actually waste time talking about stuff that doesn't matter.
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I mean, we cried when HuskerMax bought HB...imagine the crying if Musk bought it!

 
teachercd said:
Man, if you are trying to show how you don't care about Musk buying twitter...you are doing a bad job of it.
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I feel like "frequency of posting about a subject" doesn't equal caring about it.

For example, you've been pretty open about not caring about politics, and that people who do care are dorks, but you're one of the more prolific posters in P&R. Isn't that just because there's something to talk about and you like posting on message boards, and not you being a politics dork?

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
1) "It doesn't stop infection or transmission"

True. But scientists never claimed otherwise. Hence the recommendation to wear masks regardless.

2) "Don't think of it as a vaccine"

Why? The burden is on Alex here. The COVID vaccine works like every other vaccine we've taken without controversy.

3) "Think of it - at best - as a therapeutic with a limited window of efficacy."

Or, at best, think of it as a vaccine that dramatically reduced hospitalizations and death rates as the virus mutated, doing exactly what was hoped, claimed, and explained beforehand.

4) "and terrible side effect profile that must be dosed IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS."

The side effect profile was flu-like symptoms among certain people, quite possibly the people most at risk of hospitalization or death without the vaccine. Plenty of anecdotal exceptions, of course, but only a fool would favor them over public policy. Also, vaccines are ALWAYS ADMINISTERED IN ADVANCE OF ILLNESS! Alex. That's how they work. 

5) "And we want to mandate it?"

Some do. Some don't. Certain business and industries did as a requirement for employment. At the end of the day Americans still had the choice not to take the vaccine, and 25% of the population still hasn't received a single shot. As a result, 93% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths this past year have come from the unvaccinated.

That's freedom. The freedom to make poorly informed decisions. 

If you want to pull the numbers on how much strain those unvaccinated folks have put on our collective healthcare system (when they suddenly want these same medical elitists to save their lives) that's probably closer to insanity. 

Alex chose his words very carefully. But he's still wrong and misleading.

I wouldn't have banished him myself. But I would flag his posts and direct readers to information showing what a disingenuous f#&%wit Alex Berenson is. 
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Scientists, politicians and celebrities all touted the vaccine as prevention not palliative. I am sure you don't need examples.

As to the rest of your assertions there are examples giving your views credence, but enough other information to render it less than definitive.

I did what I felt was best for me and mine, and didn't raise a stink if others followed my example or not.

 
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