Censorship

commando said:
odds that this senator has a Nazi flag at home?
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Less than 50% imo. There's nothing wrong with this perspective - teaching people what things are and letting them critically work out whether those things are good or bad is a much more beneficial approach to all than teaching everything about a subject under the guise of it being good or bad. 

 
Lorewarn said:
Less than 50% imo. There's nothing wrong with this perspective - teaching people what things are and letting them critically work out whether those things are good or bad is a much more beneficial approach to all than teaching everything about a subject under the guise of it being good or bad. 
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The perspective is one thing .... applying it to Nazis is another,  You'd have to give me a pretty good example of the "good"  side of that one.  Or Slavery for that matter.  

Just like science our knowledge evolves as we know more and while either of those things could have been presented in the 1950s with pretty bland facts allowing students to discover their opinions, I don't know how it can possibly be justified today.

 
Lorewarn said:
Less than 50% imo. There's nothing wrong with this perspective - teaching people what things are and letting them critically work out whether those things are good or bad is a much more beneficial approach to all than teaching everything about a subject under the guise of it being good or bad. 
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Nazis were bad.

 
Lorewarn said:
Less than 50% imo. There's nothing wrong with this perspective - teaching people what things are and letting them critically work out whether those things are good or bad is a much more beneficial approach to all than teaching everything about a subject under the guise of it being good or bad. 
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Could you imagine the backlash if a teacher had students develop a list of pros and cons about murdering their parents.  You know, just to let them come to their own opinion about laws against murder...

I get that in higher level classes, the conversations are more nuanced and critical thinking needs to be uncomfortable.  But were talking gen-ed Social Studies if I'm understanding right.  Our elementary, middle school, and even most high school students just need to be told that Nazis are evil.  That shouldn't be something questioned in mainstream conversations.

 
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Lorewarn said:
Less than 50% imo. There's nothing wrong with this perspective - teaching people what things are and letting them critically work out whether those things are good or bad is a much more beneficial approach to all than teaching everything about a subject under the guise of it being good or bad. 
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There are certain things in history that flat out are bad and it's not wrong to teach students that they WERE bad.

 
NM11046 said:
The perspective is one thing .... applying it to Nazis is another,  You'd have to give me a pretty good example of the "good"  side of that one.  Or Slavery for that matter.  
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See you immediately jumped to "the good side", framing it as me trying to make or explore the good side of Nazism. That's not what I'm doing, and that's not necessarily what the person in the video is doing (I have no idea who that is or what they're like, so they could be a Nazi or sympathizer but it's not a conclusion appropriately reached from the video). 

commando said:
Nazis were bad.
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I agree. But if the conversation only ever stops there, that doesn't benefit anyone and in fact will likely end up a detriment. Communism, socialism, nazism, alcohol, cigarettes, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, marijuana, hallucinogenic drugs, dancing, the USSR, tattoos and piercings, strangers from the internet...these are all examples of things parents and authority figures tried to tell me were bad. 

Without being given permission to explore and understand, they're all equally bad, or equally as tempting to think can't be as bad as people said they were. 

BigRedBuster said:
There are certain things in history that flat out are bad and it's not wrong to teach students that they WERE bad.
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Nothing wrong with it at all. But there's also room for different approaches of strategy in how to get there. 

 
Lorewarn said:
I agree. But if the conversation only ever stops there, that doesn't benefit anyone and in fact will likely end up a detriment. Communism, socialism, nazism, alcohol, cigarettes, pre-marital sex, homosexuality, marijuana, hallucinogenic drugs, dancing, the USSR, tattoos and piercings, strangers from the internet...these are all examples of things parents and authority figures tried to tell me were bad. 
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Sounds like a @teachercd final.

One question: "True or False, Nazism is bad."

No teacher anywhere is going to teach a unit about the holocaust and it's villains with only one sentence about Nazis being bad.  They site examples of what happened, where it happened, and most importantly teach how it happened.

 
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nic said:
At the very least competition is needed. I would welcome this.
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The last thing this world needs is another social media platform to spread whatever ill-informed thought pops into Aunt Betty's senile old skull...

How many platforms do we need?: Twitter, Facebook, Parlor, Youtube, TikTok...If you Google "social media platforms" there are dozens of options available.

 
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