Clemson QB trolling Jameis

[VA Husker Fan]

Clear cut top QB in the draft?

Ummm...no.

Being a successful QB in the NFL takes more than just physical talent. Manziel is finding that out right now. If i were an NFL owner, I would have absolutely no desire to have Winston on my team.

I know, right? And I am not sold on Mariotta if I am a GM either. Name one QB selected in the 1st round that had questionable character issues and/or physical limitation questions and become successful.

I can't think of any.

Payton Manning

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11654158/manning-leaf-1998-draft

The closer we got to the draft, the louder the "noise"-- opinions from draft media analysts far and wide -- became, until it reached a crescendo. You were hearing all of the negatives about Peyton Manning: "He's a product of the system...He's not a good athlete ... He has a weak arm ... He can't win the big one."

Fast forward to the NFL:

Became a product of the system

Admits to not being a good athlete

Does have a good arm

Lost the big games far more than he won

So, what are you saying, I've got to name a 1st round who had questions about physical abilities or character coming into the draft who wasn't able to overcome those but was still successful? So, basically, someone who wasn't successful that was successful? Yeah, that's going to be tough. Real tough.

But let's try a couple of others. Michael Vick. He had character issues at VT and was a 3 time pro bowler. Long term, of course, he derailed himself but he played well long enough that you can't call him anything close to a bust.

Cam Newton: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cam-newton?id=2495455

Weaknesses

Not proficient at going through his progressions or making NFL reads. Doesn't anticipate receivers getting open, must see them in a window. Inconsistent accuracy due to poor footwork and falling away to avoid a big hit. Despite athleticism, needs to improve his drop mechanics and the finer points of pocket mobility. Numerous off the field issues worth investigating.

Terry Bradshaw, lots of questions about whether he was smart enough to be an NFL QB but he won a few super bowls.

John Elway raised a lot of questions when he refused to play for the Colts and forced them to trade him to a better team.

 

[hskerholic]

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[VA Husker Fan]

Payton is a very interesting example to bring up since we all can also probably remember the debate leading up to the draft as to who was the better prospect...him or....eh em......Ryan Leaf.

Yep, I think I will take the QB that might be a little less physically gifted over someone who has really questionable decision making ability in their personal lives.

I don't think there were many indications in college of the problems Leaf was going to have. In fact I think Leaf is considered such a big bust because he seemed to be a can't miss QB with no weaknesses.

Joe Namath was Johnny Manziel two generations ago.

 

[zoogs]

Peyton is one of the best NFL QBs of all time. Anybody who got those pre-draft question marks and went on to cement their status as a Hall of Fame shoo-in years before their career ended...surely erased those questions pretty decisively.

 

[VA Husker Fan]

That was my point. The claim was that there were no 1st rounders with question marks on character or abilities to be found. There may not be many, but there are some. QB isn't the only position for 1st round washouts either.

The question marks for Winston and Manziel are bigger than most, I think we'd all agree on.

 

[Army_Allen]

Clear cut top QB in the draft?

Ummm...no.

Being a successful QB in the NFL takes more than just physical talent. Manziel is finding that out right now. If i were an NFL owner, I would have absolutely no desire to have Winston on my team.

manziel wasn't an amazing talent going into the draft. His biggest attributes were his hands (largest in class) and elusiveness in the pocket. He wasn't seen as the most accurate or big arm at all and many questioned the way his internal scrambling clock.
Jameis is noted by quite a few as the best prospect since Luck and about as close to Luck as it gets physically and accuracy wise. Again thougb that doesn't always transpire how you thought it would if you don't have the desire or stability necessary to be a qb in the nfl. Ask JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf.

 

[NUance]

Payton is a very interesting example to bring up since we all can also probably remember the debate leading up to the draft as to who was the better prospect...him or....eh em......Ryan Leaf.

Yep, I think I will take the QB that might be a little less physically gifted over someone who has really questionable decision making ability in their personal lives.

I don't think there were many indications in college of the problems Leaf was going to have. In fact I think Leaf is considered such a big bust because he seemed to be a can't miss QB with no weaknesses.

Joe Namath was Johnny Manziel two generations ago.

Maybe Ryan Leaf didn't have an NFL coach who could make his talents blossom.

Ruh roh!