Comparing Recruiting Classes

'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class!
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That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.
Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.
You can probably live with 4-6 in a class if they actually pan out. That was part of Pelini's problem. A lot of the higher rated recruits he brought in didn't contribute, didn't make it to campus, or transferred out.
Hmm, not sure, I think most of the 4* Bo recruits ended up contributing. There were probably more 3* guys that didn't pan out, just because there were way more 3* guys.

But we're going to need more than 4-6 4* per to compete. Sparty, for one, has been recruiting more 4* guys the last few classes, more in the preferred range.

https://michiganstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/football/2016
What I am saying is that you can LIVE at 4-6. Im not saying it's ideal.

But as far as Pelini and 4 star contribution according to 247:

2008: Josh Williams (1 of 3 4 star)

2009: Cody Green (1 of 2)

2010: Braylon Heard, Chase Rome (2 of 5). I will even let Andrew Rodriguez slide although he was underwhelming.

2011: Aaron Green, Jamal Turner, Charles Jackson, Bubba Starling, Tyler More, Todd Peat, Ryan Klachko (7 of 9)

2012: Jared Afalava (1 of 8) Paul Thurston is questionable.

2013: Adam Taylor, Johnny Stanton, AJ Natter (3 of 7) Although Natter is listed, for now on the 2 deep at DE.

2014: Tanner Farmer (1 of 2) It's too early and this could be 2 of 2

16 out of 36 four star recruits Pelini recruited according to 247 had no considerable contribution so far. And at best there will be 2 additional. So less than 50% to at most 50%.
Absolutely on point here. Let's assess Paul Thurston for example, I coached his cousin in pee wee ball, good athlete, but I digress. Thurston was a 4 star OL coming in. The problem with Thurston was that Pelini and cotton recruited for quantity. Sure he was a 4 star, but his physical attributes do not mesh with what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe they did not know what they wanted to accomplish. Thurston is a slender, speedy O-lineman, Oregon would have done wonders with some one like Thurston. Unfortunately, Thurston has not been able to be utilized because in the BIG, you need lineman that are beefy, and can withstand the more physical style of football played.

 
Probably half done with this class so here's where it sits as of now:

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
02 .8316 18 (2)
03 .8316 19 (2)
04 .8237 20 (2)
05* .8523 32 (7)
06* .8493 22 (5)
07* .8587 26 (6)
08 .8449 29 (3)
09 .8580 19 (2)
10* .8642 20 (5)
11 .8832 21 (9)
12 .8773 17 (8)
13 .8655 24 (7)
14 .8601 25 (2)
15 .8617 21 (4)
16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8658 14 (4)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

 
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Update. Just over five weeks to NSD.

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
02 .8316 18 (2)
03 .8316 19 (2)
04 .8237 20 (2)
05* .8523 32 (7)
06* .8493 22 (5)
07* .8587 26 (6)
08 .8449 29 (3)
09 .8580 19 (2)
10* .8642 20 (5)
11 .8832 21 (9)
12 .8773 17 (8)
13 .8655 24 (7)
14 .8601 25 (2)
15 .8617 21 (4)
16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8711 14 (3)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

 
Update. Just over five weeks to NSD.

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8711 14 (3)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
How did our average go up and yet it shows we lost a 4*?

 
How did our average go up and yet it shows we lost a 4*?
I was confused by that as well. I think the four-star we "lost" is KJJ dropping in "value" and not being a four-star anymore so that doesn't change the average much. Also, Porcher was lower-rated so losing him probably moved the average up.

 
With 2017 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18 (2)
 03    .8316    19 (2)
 04    .8237    20 (2)
 05*   .8523    32 (7)
 06*   .8493    22 (5)
 07*   .8587    26 (6)
 08    .8449    29 (3)
 09    .8580    19 (2)
 10*   .8642    20 (5)
 11    .8832    21 (9)
 12    .8773    17 (8)
 13    .8655    24 (7)
 14    .8601    25 (2)
 15    .8617    21 (4)
 16    .8707    21 (5)

 17    .8758    20 (5)


* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

 
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With 2017 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?

 
With 2017 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?
No. It shows NU's player average and number of recruits. Thats not changing.

 
With 2017 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings
This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?
No. It shows NU's player average and number of recruits. Thats not changing.
Ok, I misread the number of players as the class rank.

 
What catches my eye is that are class average is pretty high considering we have an "average" number of 4* players - this says that our 3* players are high and will help lead to some depth issues that we have had in the past. I feel like next year will be less about positions of need and more about high level players.

 
This class has me jazzed. I think we have now a terrific core of players, from '15, '16 and '17 classes, from which to build.

We're probably not ever going to be able to recruit at the level of Alabama or Ohio State consistently. But as long as we're in the top 20, and get great coaching, I think we'll be fine.

The skill players on offense in this class are on paper outstanding. Our lineman recruits on both sides of the ball I think are drastically under-rated.

For example, DT Deontre Thomas just might be the stud of this class.

Mike Riley has proven we wants to win, and win at an elite level. I think it'll happen.

 
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