Defensive Scheme

[HuskerShark]

Maybe Bo's scheme takes two very good DTs to work. Below are the defensive rankings for the past 5 years. In 2008 we had SUH as a lone dominant tackle and had a poor defense. In 2009 we have Suh and Crick and have the best defense in CFB. In 2010 we have Crick and Baker and have a top 10 scoring defense, but without a monster like SUH, the rushing defensive ranking drops to 63rd. In 2011 Crick gets hurt and the defense drops to 42nd in scoring. In 2012 we have no dominate DTs and the results are disastrous.

Year Scoring Rushing Pass Efficiency

2012 58 90 9

2011 42 64 34

2010 9 63 3

2009 1 9 1

2008 79 21 82

Don't get me wrong, Crick was a great compliment to Suh, and he was able to take advantage of Suh being double teamed, but he was never quite able to be the #1 guy very effectively.

For real. Being 8th on the all time list for sacks means he sucked big time. I'd say he proved himself in 2010 to be the #1 guy. 9.5 sacks and 17 tackles for loss ranking him second in the Big 12. 70 total stops, 36 solo...averaged 5 stops per game which was #1 for offensive lineman in the Big 12. Boy this guy sure was horrible. :sarcasm

People forget that Crick was a 280 lb 6'4" heap of a man that recorded a 31 inch vertical. He was EXPLOSIVE. I was a receiver in college and I only had a 36 inch vertical...and I weighed in at 180lbs. It's crazy to me that he was able to post that vertical leap.

People often forget just how good Crick was because he was, right or wrong, overshadowed by the awesomeness that was Suh. In my opinion, he shined as our #1 guy in 2010.

Yeah, because obviously I said he was horrible. Good Lord.... Chill out and drink a beer.

Drink a beer yourself and use glasses to see the sarcasm icon.

Your response to me was as though I said Crick was a horrible player, which isn't true. I just think he was a little overrated. After he got hurt in 2011, our D-Line play really didn't drop off at all. That doesn't mean I think he was bad. I think somebody just pissed in your cheerios.

 

[Enhance]

Your response to me was as though I said Crick was a horrible player, which isn't true. I just think he was a little overrated. After he got hurt in 2011, our D-Line play really didn't drop off at all. That doesn't mean I think he was bad. I think somebody just pissed in your cheerios.

I agree with you. Prior to Crick's injury, he hadn't been a significant factor, and the d-line we put on the field in 2011 was nearly the same as the one in 2010. That said, he was still a good defensive tackle, further evidenced by him being a regular contributor for the Texans. I know you're not disputing this, of course.

For some reason, though, he wasn't playing that well to begin in 2011. There were several discussions on this board about it and in the media, as I remember.

 

[Joe_5700]

Your response to me was as though I said Crick was a horrible player, which isn't true. I just think he was a little overrated. After he got hurt in 2011, our D-Line play really didn't drop off at all. That doesn't mean I think he was bad. I think somebody just pissed in your cheerios.

I agree with you. Prior to Crick's injury, he hadn't been a significant factor, and the d-line we put on the field in 2011 was nearly the same as the one in 2010. That said, he was still a good defensive tackle, further evidenced by him being a regular contributor for the Texans. I know you're not disputing this, of course.

For some reason, though, he wasn't playing that well to begin in 2011. There were several discussions on this board about it and in the media, as I remember.

I have said it before and I'll say it again Crick was never 100% in 2011 from game 1. I think he had a torn muscle prior to Ohio State.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Probably happened on that hit on Keith Price.

 

[Count 'Bility]

He had a concussion from Washington or Fresno St game. It was publicized. I dont even think he played out in Wyoming.

 

[HuskerShark]

So I'm listening a little bit to this round table talk, and PJ Smith was a guest on the show. I'm sitting here listening to PJ basically bash the scheme that we play on defense. I guess he and Daimion Stafford told Bo all the time how much they hated how the safeties were asked to play within the defense...

I have to say that my mind is blown a little bit...

 

[beanman]

So I'm listening a little bit to this round table talk, and PJ Smith was a guest on the show. I'm sitting here listening to PJ basically bash the scheme that we play on defense. I guess he and Daimion Stafford told Bo all the time how much they hated how the safeties were asked to play within the defense...

I have to say that my mind is blown a little bit...

What are you listening to again? I'd like to hear it.

 

[HuskerShark]

So I'm listening a little bit to this round table talk, and PJ Smith was a guest on the show. I'm sitting here listening to PJ basically bash the scheme that we play on defense. I guess he and Daimion Stafford told Bo all the time how much they hated how the safeties were asked to play within the defense...

I have to say that my mind is blown a little bit...

What are you listening to again? I'd like to hear it.

http://www.huskermax.com/games/2013/photos/00/1620roundtable.html#.UYG7uIKJ3Hs

I am listening to segment #2 right now. The links are right above the pictures.

 

[TonyStalloni]

Your response to me was as though I said Crick was a horrible player, which isn't true. I just think he was a little overrated. After he got hurt in 2011, our D-Line play really didn't drop off at all. That doesn't mean I think he was bad. I think somebody just pissed in your cheerios.

I agree with you. Prior to Crick's injury, he hadn't been a significant factor, and the d-line we put on the field in 2011 was nearly the same as the one in 2010. That said, he was still a good defensive tackle, further evidenced by him being a regular contributor for the Texans. I know you're not disputing this, of course.

For some reason, though, he wasn't playing that well to begin in 2011. There were several discussions on this board about it and in the media, as I remember.

I have said it before and I'll say it again Crick was never 100% in 2011 from game 1. I think he had a torn muscle prior to Ohio State.

I fully agree. I think he was hurt very early in the season or even in fall practice and finally torn it completely in the OSU game to the point he could no longer play.

 

[HuskerShark]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

 

[beanman]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

He also seemed pretty bitter about the lack of talent on the defensive line and the safeties getting all the grief for missing tackles. He's trying to be polite about it though.

 

[HuskerShark]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

He also seemed pretty bitter about the lack of talent on the defensive line and the safeties getting all the grief for missing tackles. He's trying to be polite about it though.

Yep. And late in his interview, he keeps talking about "guys doing their own thing" instead of playing the defense. My question is, if that was the case, then why were those guys still allowed to be on the field?

I'd also like to know what guys were the prima donnas. That's pretty unacceptable stuff.

 

[beanman]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

He also seemed pretty bitter about the lack of talent on the defensive line and the safeties getting all the grief for missing tackles. He's trying to be polite about it though.

Yep. And late in his interview, he keeps talking about "guys doing their own thing" instead of playing the defense. My question is, if that was the case, then why were those guys still allowed to be on the field?

I'd also like to know what guys were the prima donnas. That's pretty unacceptable stuff.

I wonder if he's referring to a specific position group. Not sure who he's referring to but would be nice to know.

 

[Danimal]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

He also seemed pretty bitter about the lack of talent on the defensive line and the safeties getting all the grief for missing tackles. He's trying to be polite about it though.

I do think at times Bo is unrealistic in what his scheme expects guys to handle assignment-wise, in terms of what guys are able to handle knowledgewise or talent-wise. That said, guys have to buy-in and work the scheme. It isn't like Bo hasn't had plenty of success before and proven the scheme works when executed.

As far as the D-line goes not being able stay healthy and lacking depth at DT really hurt us the past two seasons. Throw in a fair amount of very average players around those DT's and you have safeties that have to do too much.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

Basically what I'm getting from PJ is that there was a lack of trust on the defense last year. He said that during big moments last year, guys on the defense would rather do their own thing and try to show off than play within the system and trust their teammates. That part is something that we all knew already. PJ said it himself: if every guy on the defense plays his job and doesn't try to play beyond the scheme, this defense will work.

He also seemed pretty bitter about the lack of talent on the defensive line and the safeties getting all the grief for missing tackles. He's trying to be polite about it though.

I do think at times Bo is unrealistic in what his scheme expects guys to handle assignment-wise, in terms of what guys are able to handle knowledgewise or talent-wise. That said, guys have to buy-in and work the scheme. It isn't like Bo hasn't had plenty of success before and proven the scheme works when executed.

As far as the D-line goes not being able stay healthy and lacking depth at DT really hurt us the past two seasons. Throw in a fair amount of very average players around those DT's and you have safeties that have to do too much.

Talent has been the issue as of late.... In my opinion, it is really that simple. When Bo has talent on that side of the ball his defenses have been among the best....