Defining the "Liberal Media" and the "Mainstream Media"

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BigRedBuster said:
No I didn't. But not sure what that has to do with the price of beans in China.

I am still interested in what you think I converted from and to.
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Well not counting Trump, which of the other GOP candidates were you supporting? The reason Im asking is that you seemed to bash most of them during thr primaries despite the fact that many of them are closer to your points above than anyone else.
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I'm not sure I remember bashing any other candidates. Maybe I did and don't remember it. I remember my biggest issue in the debates was that the blow hard idiot in the middle of the room was all you heard and nobody else was given a chance to actually debate issues. We had to sit and listen to one guy say..."I'm great...I'm wonderful...everybody loves me....bla bla bla...."

I would have loved to have heard more from Kasich, Carson, Fiorina...etc. I believe if Mr. Blowhard wasn't there, these people could have had good discussions about issues. Even though I don't remember "bashing" them, I'm not a real big fan of Cruz and something about Rubio leaves me wanting something else.

PS....I wasn't "Supporting" anyone because I wanted to hear what they had to say and make a decision.

 
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There were plenty of opportunities for all of those candidates to articulate themselves. They all did so.

The debates are national sporting events, which just means more eyes were on. The candidates and their campaigns exist outside of them, too.

 
zoogs said:
There were plenty of opportunities for all of those candidates to articulate themselves. They all did so.

The debates are national sporting events, which just means more eyes were on. The candidates and their campaigns exist outside of them, too.
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The media clearly fixated on Trump during the debates because they were waiting on him to act outlandish again.

 
Yeah, I get that. The debates are there because politics is spectacle, and spectacle appeals to the lowest common denominator. Hence the glam, the live audiences, the advertising blitz, and trumped up everything.

All that aside, though, it's not as if these candidates were mysterious. That's all I was saying, but don't feel like I am arguing against you. In a lot of ways, it's a moot point, anyway.

To wit, someone not in the midst of a(n impressive) reverse 41/2 pike somersault for legitimizing Trump would probably have remembered a few things, like Jeb's proposed "Are you Christian?" test on immigrants, or Rubio's advocacy for surveillance on mosques and internet sites in this "clash of civilizations". BRB is completely correct about what "freedom of religion" has been coded to mean.

 
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zoogs said:
Yeah, I get that. The debates are there because politics is spectacle, and spectacle appeals to the lowest common denominator. Hence the glam, the live audiences, the advertising blitz, and trumped up everything.

All that aside, though, it's not as if these candidates were mysterious. That's all I was saying, but don't feel like I am arguing against you. In a lot of ways, it's a moot point, anyway.

To wit, someone not in the midst of a(n impressive) reverse 41/2 pike somersault for legitimizing Trump would probably have remembered a few things, like Jeb's proposed "Are you Christian?" test on immigrants, or Rubio's advocacy for surveillance on mosques and internet sites in this "clash of civilizations". BRB is completely correct about what "freedom of religion" has been coded to mean.
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Cruz's increased patrolling of Muslim neighborhoods...

 
I'm not sure who on here watched Trump's speech tonight on crime, law and order and the impact it's had on the African American community, but I watched the entire speech and have to say it was one of Trump's best speeches today, free of gaffes, and on message completely. After the completion of the speech, I turned to CNN who some on here claim is an unbiased network, and guess what...their lead commentator (Don Lemon who is a joke) demonstrated complete bias in what questions were asked, and to whom. Rather than going around the horn to get everyone's thoughts on the speech as a good journalist would, he started by injecting his own criticism into the speech, and then badgering those that disagreed with his views. Lemon actually made Sean Hannity look like a nice guy that doesn't badger those he disagrees with. I have seen this time and again from CNN and wholeheartedly disagree with anyone on here who claims they are not as biased as MSNBC or Fox.

 
(Salon) The danger of the right’s noise machine: Years of misinformation led to Trump’s rise

A quote from conservative radio host and soon-to-be not true Scotsman, Charlie Sykes, on MSNBC:

Over the years conservative talk show hosts, and I’m certainly one of them, we’ve done a remarkable job of challenging and attacking the mainstream media. But perhaps what we did was also the destroy any sense of a standard. Where do you go to have any sense of the truth? You have Donald Trump come along and the man says things that are demonstrably untrue on a daily basis. My experience has been look, we live in an era when every drunk at the end of the bar has a Twitter account and maybe has a blog and when you try to point out “this is not true, this is a lie” and then you cite the Washington Post or the New York Times, their response is “oh that’s the mainstream media.” So we’ve done such a good job of discrediting them that there’s almost no place to go to be able to fact check.
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zoogs said:
(Salon) The danger of the right’s noise machine: Years of misinformation led to Trump’s rise

A quote from conservative radio host and soon-to-be not true Scotsman, Charlie Sykes, on MSNBC:

Over the years conservative talk show hosts, and I’m certainly one of them, we’ve done a remarkable job of challenging and attacking the mainstream media. But perhaps what we did was also the destroy any sense of a standard. Where do you go to have any sense of the truth? You have Donald Trump come along and the man says things that are demonstrably untrue on a daily basis. My experience has been look, we live in an era when every drunk at the end of the bar has a Twitter account and maybe has a blog and when you try to point out “this is not true, this is a lie” and then you cite the Washington Post or the New York Times, their response is “oh that’s the mainstream media.” So we’ve done such a good job of discrediting them that there’s almost no place to go to be able to fact check.
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That is EXACTLY what has happened. Many people think that if they go find the most obscure "news" outlet they can find that agrees with what is in their little brain, they have now found the truth and the main stream media is this horrible system of corrupt crap.

It really is scary when you think about it because so many people aren't getting facts. They are getting statements from the internet that agrees with their world view and it just reinforces misinformation.

 
BigRedBuster said:
zoogs said:
(Salon) The danger of the right’s noise machine: Years of misinformation led to Trump’s rise

A quote from conservative radio host and soon-to-be not true Scotsman, Charlie Sykes, on MSNBC:

Over the years conservative talk show hosts, and I’m certainly one of them, we’ve done a remarkable job of challenging and attacking the mainstream media. But perhaps what we did was also the destroy any sense of a standard. Where do you go to have any sense of the truth? You have Donald Trump come along and the man says things that are demonstrably untrue on a daily basis. My experience has been look, we live in an era when every drunk at the end of the bar has a Twitter account and maybe has a blog and when you try to point out “this is not true, this is a lie” and then you cite the Washington Post or the New York Times, their response is “oh that’s the mainstream media.” So we’ve done such a good job of discrediting them that there’s almost no place to go to be able to fact check.
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That is EXACTLY what has happened. Many people think that if they go find the most obscure "news" outlet they can find that agrees with what is in their little brain, they have now found the truth and the main stream media is this horrible system of corrupt crap.

It really is scary when you think about it because so many people aren't getting facts. They are getting statements from the internet that agrees with their world view and it just reinforces misinformation.
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Obscure Facebook videos > The New York Times.

 
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