Denying science in the classroom

[Landlord]

Ah, tone policing. Nice one, Landlord.

There's no tone policing. You either legitimately went after JJ for a joke, or you sarcastically did. My post is either serious or sarcastic depending on your intention

 

[Bigred_inSD]

A house committee did vote to kill the alternative science bill yesterday. So there is that.

 

[NM11046]

Ironically ... today (via CNN) the Pope talked atheism vs religious folks: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/world/pope-atheists-again/

 

[zoogs]

Religion isn't a thing that can be blamed for human actions. Religion is a human construct. It is no more to blame for bad actions than sport, nationalism, politics, love, money, or anything else humans create to explain their existence.

Religion is not inherently bad. Like a spoon or a pillow, it can be misused for bad things. But by its nature it is not bad.

Blaming religion for anything is a copout. It's humans who are to blame. Every time.

This. I think this is a view we can all agree on. Humans are reliably fallible in all of our pursuits.

 

[Redux]

Don't you mean make out again?

I'm now imagining guy in a jean jacket making out with Tom Osborne.

Thanks for that...

 

[JJ Husker]

Ironically ... today (via CNN) the Pope talked atheism vs religious folks: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/world/pope-atheists-again/

Wow! Seriously.

Everybody involved in the discussion in this thread needs to read that link.

I would also encourage anyone who has a problem with the Catholic church to read it.

I thought I was straying pretty far from the teachings of the religion with my thoughts on everyone, not just Christians and Catholics, having a shot at salvation but apparently the Pope seems to agree with my thoughts. I guess I've never heard a Pope (or any other official in the church) say those things.

It's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian. I agree but he actually said it.

Pretty cool guy.

Make sure to scroll through the pictures on that article. They contain some of his quotes that I think many will find surprising.

 

[Danny Bateman]

Ironically ... today (via CNN) the Pope talked atheism vs religious folks: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/world/pope-atheists-again/

Wow! Seriously.

Everybody involved in the discussion in this thread needs to read that link.

I would also encourage anyone who has a problem with the Catholic church to read it.

I thought I was straying pretty far from the teachings of the religion with my thoughts on everyone, not just Christians and Catholics, having a shot at salvation but apparently the Pope seems to agree with my thoughts. I guess I've never heard a Pope (or any other official in the church) say those things.

It's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian. I agree but he actually said it.

Pretty cool guy.

Make sure to scroll through the pictures on that article. They contain some of his quotes that I think many will find surprising.

I love the new pope. He's an unapologetic agitator of traditional doctrine. He's trying to drag the Church into the 21st century.

He's got to drive Catholic traditionalists absolutely bonkers though. I read an article not too long ago that there's apparently a sect of them in Rome that do not like him and have expressed desire in resisting and/or trying to battle back his influence.

And of course, surprise surprise... Bannon is very popular with that particular sect. He likes them too.

Oh hell, here's the article.

 

[NM11046]

There's also a group (I think its' Italian mob related) that has been rumored to be a big risk to him - like a potential death threat sort of risk. Especially when he started cleaning house in the financial arena of the vatican. A friend of mine was traveling in Ireland last year and was at a B&B with some journalists who's sole job was to stay on top of the threat within the church. Pretty interesting stories from their tea conversations.

 

[Landlord]

Ironically ... today (via CNN) the Pope talked atheism vs religious folks: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/world/pope-atheists-again/

Wow! Seriously.

Everybody involved in the discussion in this thread needs to read that link.

I would also encourage anyone who has a problem with the Catholic church to read it.

I thought I was straying pretty far from the teachings of the religion with my thoughts on everyone, not just Christians and Catholics, having a shot at salvation but apparently the Pope seems to agree with my thoughts. I guess I've never heard a Pope (or any other official in the church) say those things.

It's better to be an atheist than a bad Christian. I agree but he actually said it.

Pretty cool guy.

Make sure to scroll through the pictures on that article. They contain some of his quotes that I think many will find surprising.

Those Franciscans generally turn out to be really great Catholics. Pope Francis is a really enlightened guy.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

I do like Pope Francis a lot!

 

[Making Chimichangas]

I'd say the percentage of atheists that behave more as nasty, anti-theists is higher than the percentage of self-identified Christians who act high and mighty towards anyone not in the club. But, you're dealing with a much smaller sample size.

Well when we start burning christians at the stake, or torturing them until they renounce their beliefs, and we do it for 1,000 years or so, then the scales will be closer to even.

And Landlord, to equate atheist derision of said christian beliefs to the actual horrors and atrocities that christians have done to us through the ages...

Can you show us all where he actually did this?

Re-read the part you quoted.

 

[Mierin]

I'd say the percentage of atheists that behave more as nasty, anti-theists is higher than the percentage of self-identified Christians who act high and mighty towards anyone not in the club. But, you're dealing with a much smaller sample size.

Well when we start burning christians at the stake, or torturing them until they renounce their beliefs, and we do it for 1,000 years or so, then the scales will be closer to even.

And Landlord, to equate atheist derision of said christian beliefs to the actual horrors and atrocities that christians have done to us through the ages...

Can you show us all where he actually did this?

Re-read the part you quoted.

He didn't do that in the quote. He's talking about modern day Christian/Athiest behavior.

He's not saying athiest acting judgemental are as bad as historically murderous Christians.

 

[Making Chimichangas]

I'd say the percentage of atheists that behave more as nasty, anti-theists is higher than the percentage of self-identified Christians who act high and mighty towards anyone not in the club. But, you're dealing with a much smaller sample size.

Well when we start burning christians at the stake, or torturing them until they renounce their beliefs, and we do it for 1,000 years or so, then the scales will be closer to even.

And Landlord, to equate atheist derision of said christian beliefs to the actual horrors and atrocities that christians have done to us through the ages...

Can you show us all where he actually did this?

Re-read the part you quoted.

He didn't do that in the quote. He's talking about modern day Christian/Athiest behavior.

He's not saying athiest acting judgemental are as bad as historically murderous Christians.

He didn't say it, but the implication was clear. Was that what he intended? Doubtful, but that's the implication I gathered he was trying to get across.

Point is: atheists, while (admittedly) being nasty and sometimes verbally vicious towards Christians, absolutely pales in comparison to how they have treated us. We use words. Christians use swords, fire, water, and other torture methods. And before you say, "Well, that was a long time ago!" Is it? Because I know modern day Christians who think being an atheist should be against the law. I know Christians who say killing of atheists should be legal. And no Moraine, they are not kidding.

In point of fact, the new King James Bible has a couple of passages that says killing non-believers is acceptable. And some Christians accept this as truth and acceptable.

 

[JJ Husker]

I'd say the percentage of atheists that behave more as nasty, anti-theists is higher than the percentage of self-identified Christians who act high and mighty towards anyone not in the club. But, you're dealing with a much smaller sample size.

Well when we start burning christians at the stake, or torturing them until they renounce their beliefs, and we do it for 1,000 years or so, then the scales will be closer to even.

And Landlord, to equate atheist derision of said christian beliefs to the actual horrors and atrocities that christians have done to us through the ages...

Can you show us all where he actually did this?

Re-read the part you quoted.

Landlord didn't equate those two things, you did. He was very clear with his comparison; nasty atheists to high and mighty Christians. Now I suppose you could take off and run with high and mighty acting Christians committed all those atrocities through the ages but it was pretty clear that is not what he was talking about and it was an unfair characterization of the point he was making. Im sure Landlord wouldn't even begin to deny the many terrible things that have been done in the name of Christianity.

 

[The Dude]

I've never been a Christian but I can't imagine why even being a good one would be better than being atheist. Unless you want to run for public office in the United States, I suppose.

Better by far, I suspect, to be a Pastafarian.

Or at least a Dudeist.