DT Jeffrey M'ba
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What are you calling a DT in his scheme? Our 4i/5 techs could be starting 3 techs in other schemes, and will move between the three readily in ours.
Mavric
Yoda
3-4 DTs and 4/5 techs in a 4-3 are not the same player. I mean.... they can be. But the ideal is different for those two positions.
Mavric
Yoda
This is possible. I think it's mostly just depth. After this year, we'll have Jahkeem Green, Damion Daniels and possibly/probably Piper. You want at least two to rotate and at least one more for depth if someone were to get hurt. So getting one more HS guy now gives that guy and Piper for sure a year in the weight room before they'd be needed. Then even if they weren't really playing as RS Freshmen the following year we'd have some good depth built for the future.
As we’ve discussed before, trying to discuss these things in terms of a 3-4 or 4-3 is a pointless exercise. That’s why I avoid it, and actively encourage others to avoid it. Those terms have no meaning in a modern defense.
What’s “ideal” varies greatly by coordinator. I’m not going to pretend there are only two defenses. Certainly in some defenses there is a great deal of difference in what they want between a 3 tech and 5 tech. In a lot of cases, though, that 5 tech will play a lot of 3 tech against the one back systems so common today.
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In our system, it’s easiest to keep it simple. We basically have two broad defensive line categories, guys that play NT and guys that don’t. You will certainly see guys like Khalil or Stille play multiple techs even against the same opponent. Unless we had depth issues, like what forced Carlos to the nose last year, you wouldn’t expect to see someone like Darrion on an outside technique.
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I would say it’s that way in every league, wouldn’t you? The biggest challenge in this league is the diversity of offenses faced.
Mavric
Yoda
You can make that assertion, but that doesn't mean it's true. Yes, there are adjustments and variations of both so there are similarities. But that doesn't mean it's a meaningless or pointless. Many people have talked for two years about us not having the right type of guys for a 3-4. 3-4 DTs are not the same as 4-3 DTs. 3-4 DEs are not the same as 4-3 DEs. That doesn't mean you can't play the defense. But to really make either work the way they are supposed to you need a different type of athlete. That's why despite having guys like the Davis twins - who are 4-3 DTs but closer to 3-4 DEs - Frost's staff is looking everywhere for DTs for his 3-4.
This is my problem right here. When you say “both”, that implies there are two. There are so many more than two defensive structures, and lots of ways of describing things. A term like 4-3 is not only confusing in the modern parlance, but horribly inaccurate to describe a defense that against today’s offenses will rarely have such a structure by personnel or alignment.
Here is a familiar example to showcase.
Bo Pelini commonly used a 5 tech DE. Just about everyone here would say he ran a “4-3”, yet a 5 tech is the most commonly associated technique for a “3-4 DE”.
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Mavric
Yoda
I realize there are more. I was talking about two different ones which would be "both" when talking about them together.
I already said there are a bunch a variations and overlap. There are similarities and crossover. But that' doesn't make them the same.
I think you're way too hung up on semantics instead of looking at the big picture. You're missing the forest for the trees.
What two different defenses are you talking about? Banker’s defense vs Pelini’s defense are two definable constructs. 3-4 vs 4-3 are not. It’s messy and inexact and then everybody just plays Nickel anyhow.
I’m sorry, I don’t what “big picture” you’re looking at. I know there are a lot of semantics, but that’s football these days. Not long ago we had teams that played one front and were easy to describe but those days are gone.
BIG ERN
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After this year we are losing 3 of top 5 kids in rotation. Have some good young talent along with Stille with one more year. One more NT would be a great addition since Banks might be a DE or OT in the future.
Daniels
K. Davis
C. Davis
Neal
Vainuku
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NT: Daniels, Green
DE: Stille, Thomas...Rogers, Robinson, Wildeman, Walker
Daniels
K. Davis
C. Davis
Neal
Vainuku
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20'
NT: Daniels, Green
DE: Stille, Thomas...Rogers, Robinson, Wildeman, Walker
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Mavric
Yoda
So this may answer some of the questions from above:
He was originally a Class of 2019 commit to Virginia. However he (presumably) didn't qualify so he reclassified to 2020 and decommitted.
His 247 ranking has remained basically the same. But he was a four-star on Rivals last year but is only a three-star now.
He was originally a Class of 2019 commit to Virginia. However he (presumably) didn't qualify so he reclassified to 2020 and decommitted.
His 247 ranking has remained basically the same. But he was a four-star on Rivals last year but is only a three-star now.
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