Duval's conditioning starts Monday. UCF players share.

bugeater17 said:
Anyone know if Duval/staff will do testing to evaluate gains and/or maxes before spring ball begins? 
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Based off the few anecdotes we've heard from Duval and the staff, they're actively measuring maxes, BMI, etc. IMO this is pretty par of the course nowadays because of how important analytics have become even at the college level.

 
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84HuskerLaw said:
Not sure how long the time period was for this weight loss/gain transformation but it is roughly a third of a pound for the 130 or so on the team give a take a quarter pounder meal.  I would expect that by fall one could expect to see three or four times that or more.   Wonder what the average body fat% was and is and should be to please Coach Frost?   That is, how far do we need to go to get to the 'right' numbers as a team.   I am sure there are a handful of guys that are already in pretty good shape but some a long ways off.  

Dropping about 15 pounds of dead weight and adding 10 lbs of muscle will make a difference and 25 lbs would be dramatic I'd guess.
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Pretty sure that's three pounds, not a third of a pound.

 
Like mentioned above, unsure how one measures it (time frame/fat vs muscle), but that is a metric that has to bode well.  Stronger and leaner is a good thing.


 

 
Mavric said:
Pretty sure that's three pounds, not a third of a pound.
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Did the math pretty quick in my head but 436 lbs -gained minus 389 lbs lost = 47 lbs net gain divided by 130 players is about 'a third of a pound' on the scale I'd say.  

I would have expected the team to have lost maybe 4-5 lbs 'net' weight per man over a 6 week grueling conditioning period after a long Christmas etc break.  I am no conditioning/nutrition expert so was looking for some comments by those more knowledgeable but just seems like a team out of shape might easily lose fat and excess pounds before adding back muscle but guess the conversion rate is better than I would have thought.  My guess would have been to run the heck out of 'em all to start with to get them into great cardio condition and then begin the building of new muscle mass and strength (again my non-expert thoughts).

 
84HuskerLaw said:
Did the math pretty quick in my head but 436 lbs -gained minus 389 lbs lost = 47 lbs net gain divided by 130 players is about 'a third of a pound' on the scale I'd say.  

I would have expected the team to have lost maybe 4-5 lbs 'net' weight per man over a 6 week grueling conditioning period after a long Christmas etc break.  I am no conditioning/nutrition expert so was looking for some comments by those more knowledgeable but just seems like a team out of shape might easily lose fat and excess pounds before adding back muscle but guess the conversion rate is better than I would have thought.  My guess would have been to run the heck out of 'em all to start with to get them into great cardio condition and then begin the building of new muscle mass and strength (again my non-expert thoughts).
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Your math is right but what you're measuring doesn't make sense for athletes who are trying to build muscle. It doesn't matter if they each gained 5lbs as long as they lost fat lbs.

If come fall the team has lost net weight, that's bad, not good. A net gain is better unless it's a gain in fat.

The only exceptions are, e.g., if you have someone overweight who loses 50lbs of fat and gains 15lbs muscle. We may have some overweight players but not enough that we want an average net loss in weight.

 
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84HuskerLaw said:
Not sure how long the time period was for this weight loss/gain transformation but it is roughly a third of a pound for the 130 or so on the team give a take a quarter pounder meal.  I would expect that by fall one could expect to see three or four times that or more.   Wonder what the average body fat% was and is and should be to please Coach Frost?   That is, how far do we need to go to get to the 'right' numbers as a team.   I am sure there are a handful of guys that are already in pretty good shape but some a long ways off.  

Dropping about 15 pounds of dead weight and adding 10 lbs of muscle will make a difference and 25 lbs would be dramatic I'd guess.
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Why subtract one from the other when both muscle gained and fat lost are positives? I'd add them together to say we had 825 total "positive pounds" improvement.  Gained fat and lost muscle would be added together as a "negative pounds", representing a decline. 

 
Foster said Duval’s program was closer to that of James Dobson — head strength coach under former coach Bo Pelini — than NU’s most recent strength coach, Mark Philipp. Nebraska players are back to doing back squats, in which the bar sits on a player’s upper back, after three years of doing front squats, in which the bar sits on a lifter’s shoulders, under his chin.
Duval also prefers football-tailored lifts over Olympic lifts, which had been used under Philipp.
“We do hang clean — a clean where you’re not going to let go of the weight (between repetitions),” Foster said. “With the last staff, we did power cleans. You had boxes the weight would sit on. You’d clean it up and let it drop, get back under it and do it again and keep doing that. Or we’d do it from the floor. That was the Olympic lift. And we used to do snatches, where you’d pick it up and put it over your head.
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OWH

 
If it were me I’d do, 389/130... 2.99lbs lost of fat. 

Then 436/130... 3.35 lbs gained of muscle

its certainly misleading to think that they’ve only gained 1/3 of a lb. 

closer to a 6lb improvement than 1/3...

 
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