Fire Satterfield

gossamorharpy said:
At this moment, yah I never want to see one again. It was a disaster this year, we don’t have big bodied receivers to consistently block in the open, so y did we continue to call it late in season in critical situations?

we sucked a$$ executing it under frosty as well with 2AMs errant throws to the flats and relatively smaller receivers. 
 

just because it’s a basic play design that teams use for consistent success, doesn’t it mean it’s a for sure thing as evidenced here across 2 coaches 
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I'm glad you're not an OC...

Screens aren't just ran as a stand alone play, and more often then not that outside WR screen is an RPO. It's a constraint type play to help keep the defense honest, like almost every screen play is designed to be.

Not sure if you caught it, but later in games we take the same concept fake the screen and have one of the WRs run a go route.

 
ZRod said:
I'm glad you're not an OC...

Screens aren't just ran as a stand alone play, and more often then not that outside WR screen is an RPO. It's a constraint type play to help keep the defense honest, like almost every screen play is designed to be.

Not sure if you caught it, but later in games we take the same concept fake the screen and have one of the WRs run a go route.
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Well we can agree on one thing, I'm glad I'm not an OC either because that role has been the most despised position for 20 of the past 22 years here.

I'm well aware of the concept of running basic plays to shift the defense horizontally and use the whole field to setup success for that play or later in the game. Believe me, playing nickel CB and hybrid safety through hs and d2 i took my fair share of blindside blocks and hits on the LOS that still hurt to this day on a cold winter day.  In my post after I acknowledged the value of it and how others can run it to success, but for whatever reason- its not a play that is ran successfully here. More often than not its been a call on 1st and 2nd down that repeatedly puts us in 2nd and 3rd and long to down.  Which isn't surprising, for the past 5 years we've largely tried to run with WRs who aren't physically imposing whatsoever and will never be great open field blockers.  

I even mentioned there are better ways to do screens that seem to be more advantageous to our roster.  We're trying this WR screen in the flats with QBs who dont have the best accuracy or touch and WRs that cant block- y arent we seeing more RB based screens where our TEs/pulling lineman can be the ones blocking.

I think in my post (im too lazy to find it) that by oct 1 if my team has utterly failed to execute it then I want it scrapped from the playbook.  

I get what you're saying, i really do, but at somepoint this offense needs to stop beating its head against the wall calling plays "that everyone runs to success"- if that was the case than any average OC would have success here.  Create a damn gameplan and pivot in games to plays that cater to your strengths.  Sure the fake screen to a streaking WR might work here and there, but its not worth it if the cost is a no gain or 2-3 yard loss the majority of the time (which we def fall into).  There are other ways to keep a defense honest and setup plays that don't require a disaster of a play call that ruins a drive more often than not

 
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gossamorharpy said:
Well we can agree on one thing, I'm glad I'm not an OC either because that role has been the most despised position for 20 of the past 22 years here.

I'm well aware of the concept of running basic plays to shift the defense horizontally and use the whole field to setup success for that play or later in the game. Believe me, playing nickel CB and hybrid safety through hs and d2 i took my fair share of blindside blocks and hits on the LOS that still hurt to this day on a cold winter day.  In my post after I acknowledged the value of it and how others can run it to success, but for whatever reason- its not a play that is ran successfully here. More often than not its been a call on 1st and 2nd down that repeatedly puts us in 2nd and 3rd and long to down.  Which isn't surprising, for the past 5 years we've largely tried to run with WRs who aren't physically imposing whatsoever and will never be great open field blockers.  

I even mentioned there are better ways to do screens that seem to be more advantageous to our roster.  We're trying this WR screen in the flats with QBs who dont have the best accuracy or touch and WRs that cant block- y arent we seeing more RB based screens where our TEs/pulling lineman can be the ones blocking.

I think in my post (im too lazy to find it) that by oct 1 if my team has utterly failed to execute it then I want it scrapped from the playbook.  

I get what you're saying, i really do, but at somepoint this offense needs to stop beating its head against the wall calling plays "that everyone runs to success"- if that was the case than any average OC would have success here.  Create a damn gameplan and pivot in games to plays that cater to your strengths.  Sure the fake screen to a streaking WR might work here and there, but its not worth it if the cost is a no gain or 2-3 yard loss the majority of the time (which we def fall into).  There are other ways to keep a defense honest and setup plays that don't require a disaster of a play call that ruins a drive more often than not
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I honestly don't think you're paying attention to the games you claim to be watching. We've tried to run RB screens, I think one hit for a big gain earlier in the season, then I'm pretty sure Chubba had to ground a ball against Iowa when they sniffed it out. The WR screen you claimed to hate was picking up 4 yards sometimes against Iowa, other times it was minimal to no gain. Same thing happens in the zone running game. Are just supposed to abandon zone runs?

If you're going to whole sale scrap plays that "don't work" we might as well start punting on second down.

I'm not a fan of Sat's overall play calling as games go on, but he also has had d!(k to work with from specialists position standpoint. After Washington went down early Kemp was the only viable WR threat and he was injured throughout the season, and he's 5 foot nothing.

 
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ZRod said:
I honestly don't think you're paying attention to the games you claim to be watching. We've tried to run RB screens, I think one hit for a big gain earlier in the season, then I'm pretty sure Chubba had to ground a ball against Iowa when they sniffed it out. The WR screen you claimed to hate was picking up 4 yards sometimes against Iowa, other times it was minimal to no gain. Same thing happens in the zone running game. Are just supposed to abandon zone runs?

If you're going to whole sale scrap plays that "don't work" we might as well start punting on second down.

I'm not a fan of Sat's overall play calling as games go on, but he also has had d!(k to work with from specialists position standpoint. Kemp was the only viable WR threat and he was injured throughout the heard, and he's 5 foot nothing.
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I'm prolly being a bit dramatic but man, i just had one too many helpings of bullock either not laying a hand on someone or just getting completely blown up on his block and the play is over.  Probably a bit hungover on the play too from the frosty era where it seemed like we were just too horizontal focused in our passing game and inevitably drives stalled out once we near the red zone/goalline when the field is shorter and those horizontal plays dont have as much effectiveness.

I guess i went overboard saying to completely scrap it but still feel like there were instances against iowa and wiscy where we come out and run that WR screen and we're at 2& 12 and punting 60 seconds later.  

Youre right, given all the injuries there really wasnt much for us to rely on with confidence.  I'm just tired of us seeming to be the only progrum who cannot run that play with consistent success when it seems like table-stakes for every other team we face.

To add one thing- im not a fan of satt's play calling as the game goes either but also acknowledge he didnt have much to work with.  That being said, a lot of the s#!t our offense was failing at late in the season we were also failing at to the start the year with our first string.  I just want a competent offense again and a year where both the defense and offense is ON and firing on all cylinders.  Its literally been since 2001 and first part of 2010 before TMart and his toe since we could make that claim?

 
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gossamorharpy said:
I'm prolly being a bit dramatic but man, i just had one too many helpings of bullock either not laying a hand on someone or just getting completely blown up on his block and the play is over.  Probably a bit hungover on the play too from the frosty era where it seemed like we were just too horizontal focused in our passing game and inevitably drives stalled out once we near the red zone/goalline when the field is shorter and those horizontal plays dont have as much effectiveness.

I guess i went overboard saying to completely scrap it but still feel like there were instances against iowa and wiscy where we come out and run that WR screen and we're at 2& 12 and punting 60 seconds later.  

Youre right, given all the injuries there really wasnt much for us to rely on with confidence.  I'm just tired of us seeming to be the only progrum who cannot run that play with consistent success when it seems like table-stakes for every other team we face.

To add one thing- im not a fan of satt's play calling as the game goes either but also acknowledge he didnt have much to work with.  That being said, a lot of the s#!t our offense was failing at late in the season we were also failing at to the start the year with our first string.  I just want a competent offense again and a year where both the defense and offense is ON and firing on all cylinders.  Its literally been since 2001 and first part of 2010 before TMart and his toe since we could make that claim?
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I think the more accurate statement is, we need to find a QB and WRs that are way better at running it.

 
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