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[4skers89]

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Has anyone or does anyone know someone that did insanity or P90x that looks like they have gained much muscle mass? I ask because someone I work with has been doing insanity and he lost some weight but looks thin and wimpy. I'm a little familiar with these programs and always thought they would be good for losing weight but I would stick with strength training to get the physique I want.

 

[HuskerShark]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

 

[ZRod]

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Has anyone or does anyone know someone that did insanity or P90x that looks like they have gained much muscle mass? I ask because someone I work with has been doing insanity and he lost some weight but looks thin and wimpy. I'm a little familiar with these programs and always thought they would be good for losing weight but I would stick with strength training to get the physique I want.

You know of all the people I've seen do p90x only one was committed to it, and he just looks skinny now. He wasn't fat to begin with, just one of those bigger more filled out types.

 

[Hedley Lamarr]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

 

[HuskerShark]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

http://www.bodybuild.../fun/kelly3.htm

Did you post that to prove my point or what?

 

[4skers89]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm

I like his philosophy and I kind of already follow his suggestions. I lift M/W/F and do a spin class on T/R which usually has a lot of HIT portions. When trying to cut fat I usually add about 45 mins of cardio on lifting days. I don't like the idea of always doing 45 mins of slow cardio on lifting days though since total gym time would be almost 2 hours. I like to keep it just a little over an hour. I lift for strictly strength and not for bodybuilding.

 

[Hedley Lamarr]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

http://www.bodybuild.../fun/kelly3.htm

Did you post that to prove my point or what?

Did you read it?

 

[Creighton Duke]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

I don't see why you keep making these extreme statements. "It's IMPOSSIBLE to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time" "You HAVE to use supplements to make real gains". I mean, give me a break. Talk to everyone in the world that is involved with lifting and/or fitness and see how they've done before making extreme statements like that, especially when there are a lot of inexperienced lifters on the board that are looking for guidance.

 

[HuskerShark]

"You HAVE to use supplements to make real gains".

FWIW, I never said that.

 

[Creighton Duke]

No. It's not. I've done it and I do it. Maybe if you're close to your maximum potential this is the case. But you made a blanket statement which is false.

Very true! For an example take insanity. Those people didn't have that muscle mass when they started. They also had a much lower BF% at the end.

Let me restate it then. It's impossible for someone who has been lifting for a while and is trying to cut the last few % of their BF not to lose muscle while cutting.

For example, professional body builders as they are building in the offseason eat lots of healthy fats and load up on as much carbs, healthy fats, and protein as they can. When they cut fat to prepare for competition, it's a given that they will lose a sizable amount of muscle.

Obviously a person like the people on the Biggest Loser who haven't done a physical activity in their lives, yes they will gain some muscle. Anyone who hasn't been on a physical training program will gain muscle after starting to work out. So you're right, my blanket statement was not correct. I was speaking more along the lines of people who have been lifting for a while.

http://www.bodybuild.../fun/kelly3.htm

I like his philosophy and I kind of already follow his suggestions. I lift M/W/F and do a spin class on T/R which usually has a lot of HIT portions. When trying to cut fat I usually add about 45 mins of cardio on lifting days. I don't like the idea of always doing 45 mins of slow cardio on lifting days though since total gym time would be almost 2 hours. I like to keep it just a little over an hour. I lift for strictly strength and not for bodybuilding.

This is what's up. I can only park at the gym for 1 and one half hours at a time so I need to be efficient. For people looking to cut, your body is going to respond a lot better to HIIT-based "cardio" versus long jogs/runs/bike at a constant to semi-constant pace. Much better use of time, much better for your purposes.

Plus, HIIT-based training translate very well into traditional cardio-based activities. From doing HIIT sprints and bouts of kettlebell swings, I am able to play sports and not be winded and perform well in endurance races. However, traditional cardio will NOT translate nearly as well into HIIT-based training (ask someone who runs 5 miles a day to run 10 intermittant sprints. I guarantee they won't do as well as someone who never runs more than a mile, but sprints 3 days a week).

 

[Creighton Duke]

"You HAVE to use supplements to make real gains".

FWIW, I never said that.

If you really want to make strides in the gym, a pre workout supplement is almost necessity IMO

Ok, but it was almost as equally ridiculous of a statement that I would expect to hear from a salesman at GNC.

 

[HuskerShark]

"You HAVE to use supplements to make real gains".

FWIW, I never said that.

If you really want to make strides in the gym, a pre workout supplement is almost necessity IMO

Ok, but it was almost as equally ridiculous of a statement that I would expect to hear from a salesman at GNC.

Hmmm, that didn't say anything about gaining muscle, but whatever.

And if you want to get technical about it, yes, it does take some type of supplementation to make true sh#t-your-pants muscle gains in the gym. You can agree with me or not, I don't care. If you can gain craploads of muscle without supplements, you have some freakish genetics.

 

[The Dude]

Been working on my form.

 

[HuskerShark]

Been working on my form.

Impressive :lol:

 

[4skers89]

Been working on my form.

Impressive :lol:

I see a lot of people doing that exercise. I'm not sure what it's for but it's become epidemic. They look almost as ridiculous as the gif. I wish they would just go away so they don't interrupt the few exercises I use the pulleys for.