Frost is returning for 2022

Enhance said:
This is a really good post.

I've seen the "we're doing the same thing and expecting different results" comments too. I don't buy them based on the secondary facts of the situation e.g. the firing of four assistants and the restructuring of Scott's contract (which not only helps with a potential buyout but also crucially gives them more money to hire assistants). What we're seeing here are two parties amicably giving and taking a little bit in order to try to make something work. And if it doesn't, they're both in a position to walk away with something of value.

Fans get remarkably tied up in the importance of early success for a coach. I get it. You see guys like Gene Chizik, Ed Orgeron and Mel Tucker all knock it out of the park early on. But a lot of those guys are gone 4-5 years down the road when they can't match their early success. Would anybody be surprised if Tucker is out at MSU in the next few years, either because of a new job or a performance decline? Because I wouldn't be.

And yeah... who Frost is certainly played into all of this. Was it a primary determining factor? Eh... perhaps not. There are a lot of other factors playing into it (the defensive success, the team's apparent toughness/athleticism, their unity, etc.) But there's a very common theme we're hearing right now from fans when they see they WANT to see Frost succeed. Would they be saying that about an outsider? I don't personally think so. I think fans would be a lot more willing to cut ties if this were not a former Husker.
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I have previously outlined my thoughts on the strategic approach taken by our new AD towards this situation so I will not belabor it here.  All I can say is that he acted with a close eye on professional self-preservation.

As to your second point, I may be unlike the generic fan you are speaking of as I do not put much stock in early success (i.e. wins / losses).  My focus early in a coach's tenure is on fundamentals and mechanics.  If we are losing games, but are consistently executing our offensive / defensive approach without penalties, turnovers, missed assignments etc. and can do so while remaining competitive, I can see the vision.  I can then reasonably presume that with more experienced and ultimately better quality personnel that those close losses will become victories.

However, when you consistently demonstrate the same tactical shortcomings and errors year after year, and those errors contribute directly to losses, it is clear that either the strategy or the instruction is failing.  In other words, the light will not simply "come on" in Year 5 or 6. 

No hard feelings for me as I wish Coach Frost well in his next endeavor (starting December, 2022).

 
RedDenver said:
Or - and hear me out here - other people simply disagree with you. But no, I'm sure all those people are just liars - not that you could be close-minded about the possibilities because - let's be honest - you're always right.
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I think people in general are more delusional than dishonest. Also, 3 isn't exactly right though for how a lot of people feel. They care about winning, they just care more about the good old boy being coach.

 
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FrantzHardySwag said:
Whats the difference? haha
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Well, is it the field goal blocking units fault a kicker misses a PAT or a FG?

Are we complaining this much if we made even at least half of the missed FGs?

Tbf, I don't care about not getting a lot of KR yards because getting the ball at the 25 is great, PR yards, just don't muff it.

There's only so much you can do from coaching, eventually it boils down to the players. Hopefully he does get a ST coordinator though.

 
FrantzHardySwag said:
Whats the difference? haha
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I agree that it's hard for coaches to improve place kicker's and punter's performance.  To me, that's up to the kicker and their personal kicking coaches (which all of them have).  However, the lack of a dedicated ST coach/coordinator further shows me that Frost doesn't think that ST needs to be an area of importance.  It's maddening.

 
ColoradoHusk said:
I agree that it's hard for coaches to improve place kicker's and punter's performance.  To me, that's up to the kicker and their personal kicking coaches (which all of them have).  However, the lack of a dedicated ST coach/coordinator further shows me that Frost doesn't think that ST needs to be an area of importance.  It's maddening.
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Especially since they beat USF his final year at UCF thanks to final minute KO return for touchdown (and Chin's defense getting a stop thereafter) 

 
hskrfan4life said:
Well, is it the field goal blocking units fault a kicker misses a PAT or a FG?

Are we complaining this much if we made even at least half of the missed FGs?

Tbf, I don't care about not getting a lot of KR yards because getting the ball at the 25 is great, PR yards, just don't muff it.

There's only so much you can do from coaching, eventually it boils down to the players. Hopefully he does get a ST coordinator though.
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ST Efficiency:

21: 128th

20: 115th

19: 123rd

18: 109th

It's been a problem for 4 years. If you aren't identifying and coaching up the "specialist" then you need to hire someone to do it. He can act like he's identified the problem but there is zero reason to believe him or anyone on the current staff can fix it. 

 
I could probably fix the punting woes.  What's his name usually muffs punts when you know they asked to directionally punt to the left.  If he's got a leg just tell him to go out there and kick it.  assign lanes and have everyone bust a$$ down there. Less pressure on the kid.  just punt it (down field longer than 13 yards).

 
Enhance said:
"Fans get remarkably tied up in the importance of early success for a coach. I get it. You see guys like Gene Chizik, Ed Orgeron and Mel Tucker all knock it out of the park early on. But a lot of those guys are gone 4-5 years down the road when they can't match their early success. Would anybody be surprised if Tucker is out at MSU in the next few years, either because of a new job or a performance decline? Because I wouldn't be."
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To your point and this thread, this is what the issue is in Lincoln.  Scott had two (2) seasons as HC, 1 incredible season and 1 that was not successful based on W-L.  In trying to make sense of college football over the past decade I have drawn the conclusion its interesting that A.D. stands for Athletic Director AND Attention Deficit which seems to be how they choose a HC coach today.  Decision making only seems to be based on one good season and not the entire body of work, how does a institutional black eye like Steve Sarkisian make an a$$ out of himself in public at UW, wind up a drunk at USC and a few years later get the keys to UT? ..... seems Attention Deficit too me.  In Scott's case, and throwing out last years covid season, he has coached 5 seasons 1 winning and 4 not, so he has a 20% season success rate taking the emotion and personal bias out of the analysis, simply W or L.   To your example of Mel Tucker, how did one 5-7 season at Colorado merit a job at Michigan State?

At 10,000 feet I find the Frost discussion polarizing because he was given one of the top 10 most prestigious coaching jobs after 2 seasons at a mid major without much of a body of work,.  Can he recruit and then put those talent pieces together successfully, 2 years at a school doesn't tell us since it's not entirely his talent collection, only half.  Thus far the answer to my question is "no" 3-4 years of recruiting what he saw as talent either isn't or he doesn't know how to put the talent pieces together based on a 36% win rate, Riley wasn't the answer but he could put the pieces together in Lincoln 50% of the time.  We are where we are because the previous A.D. took a flyer on a state kid without much of a HC resume, I will leave it up each and everyone of you to decide if the hire was done by which A.D. a person with the title of Athletic Director or a person that had Attention Deficit got consumed with a shiny season ..... End of Rant

 
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