Fyfe (nothing bad)

[knapplc]

Actually, I've made the "Fyfe as the starter" argument before (way back in some other thread). Not what I was intending to do there, though.

Not necessarily Ryker Fyfe, but a quite-competent passer. If that's Fyfe, great. If that's Stanton, great. Don't really care about the name on the jersey.

In that earlier discussion, I said we have more than enough RBs to carry the load, and with the talent we have at WR (like this Hovey kid who came out of nowhere - who knew?!?) it would be a shame if we weren't fully utilizing our WR talents.

If Tommy keeps moving the offense to the tune of 400+ yards and 30+ points a game, there's no reason to make a change. But if we get bogged down, and we need to pass and he's not effective, gotta move to the next man up.

I like Tommy a lot, but I'm not "100% he's gotta start all the time HURRRRR!" or anything.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

 

[Branno]

I love that this thread, instead of celebrating that we have a competent back up quarterback, has become a circle jerk arguing against the strawman argument that anyone would want to replace Tommy Armstrong with Ryker Fyfe.

We have no idea if we have a competent backup quarterback. We've seen Fyfe look pretty good in the Spring Game and not too shabby in mop-up duty in two blowouts. Here's hoping he's even better than he looked there, because we'll need better if we're going to accomplish anything if Tommy gets hurt. At this point, we have no idea if Fyfe is competent from the get-go.

Mop-up time against Fresno State's 1st string defense, you do remember that they left their starters in the whole game right? I'm not saying the guy is gonna start on Sundays, but he looks like a pretty good backup. I still have no idea where the nonsense "why do you guys want Fyfe as the starter" came from.

i just thought it was weird to be so high on fyfe with such little evidence and so critical of tommy when he is producing good numbers and wins. i mean, he is now 10-1 as a starter.

I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?

I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

Please, for the love of God stop with this straw man argument. No one in this thread has stated they want to replace TA with Fyfe (except for one joke about his name sounding like a spy).

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

The only reason Bo started TA over Martinez last year was because Martinez was hurt. It wasn't like Martinez was benched in favor of TA.

 

[RedDenver]

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

The only reason Bo started TA over Martinez last year was because Martinez was hurt. It wasn't like Martinez was benched in favor of TA.

I think he's talking about RK3

 

[StPaulHusker]

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

The only reason Bo started TA over Martinez last year was because Martinez was hurt. It wasn't like Martinez was benched in favor of TA.

I was referring to Kellogg.

 

[knapplc]

I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?

I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

I defended T-Mart with the same vigor. And Zac Lee, and Joey Ganz, and Sam Keller, and Zac Taylor, and....

I don't get the idea of picking favorites on a team, to the detriment of other guys on the team. They're all my guys. Not saying that's what's going on here, but we've definitely seen this with anti-Martinez threads in the past, and anti-Keller, etc.

That 9/8 TD/INT ratio is awful, no question. But that was his first year starting, as a Redshirt Freshman, and he was really raw. If we'd have had the luxury of letting him get all polished up last year in backup duty while Martinez had a glorious senior year, that would have been ideal, but it didn't work out that way and it's pretty obvious Tommy was really, really raw.

Despite that, he had flashes of brilliance last year. That game against Michigan, in front of the largest crowd in college football, was great. It spoke volumes about his mental toughness, even though he was still mistake-prone.

This year he's got a 9/1 ratio, I think. Surely that's reason for great optimism, isn't it?

 

[Takeitsleazy]

All I have to say is Fife would be fine if Tommy got hurt, though Tommy is the starter.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Bo Pelini started a redshirt freshman at QB over a returning Senior starter with Taylor Martinez. He then started a redshirt Freshman over a 5th year senior last year.

If Bo thought Fyfe was the right guy for the job, I am led to believe he would be the starter. But he isn't better and isn't starting.

The only reason Bo started TA over Martinez last year was because Martinez was hurt. It wasn't like Martinez was benched in favor of TA.

I was referring to Kellogg.

Now I see what you were referring to.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Having said what I said, I think Fyfe played well the last game. I mentioned it in the What Did We Learn thread that I noticed he hit Newby in the flat after working through his progressions and didn't force one down field. That was something TA didn't do the whole game.

 

[RedDenver]

1) I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?
2) I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

3) I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

1) Valid concerns about the starter are fine. You're using a strawman argument that suggests others are saying you can't have concerns, which is not what's happening or being discussed. And who cares about which fans said what about TM?

2) I simply disagree with your opinion that Fyfe is good enough to play. I haven't seen enough from him. He's thrown some REALLY bad passes into the dirt, which is worse than what TA has shown. So I'm leaning more towards poor passer than good passer.

3) TA went from 9-8 TD/INT to 7-1. What more could you possibly want for a sign of improvement? If you're going to criticize him at least us a compelling stat and not one that contradicts your conclusion.

 

[Branno]

1) I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?
2) I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

3) I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

1) Valid concerns about the starter are fine. You're using a strawman argument that suggests others are saying you can't have concerns, which is not what's happening or being discussed. And who cares about which fans said what about TM?

2) I simply disagree with your opinion that Fyfe is good enough to play. I haven't seen enough from him. He's thrown some REALLY bad passes into the dirt, which is worse than what TA has shown. So I'm leaning more towards poor passer than good passer.

3) TA went from 9-8 TD/INT to 7-1. What more could you possibly want for a sign of improvement? If you're going to criticize him at least us a compelling stat and not one that contradicts your conclusion.

1. These same fans that constantly attacked TM are the ones attacking anyone that criticizes TA.

2. I think he is good enough to play AS A BACKUP. I'm tired of this straw man that people want Fyfe to play over Tommy.

3. 7-1 against weak a$$ secondaries. He has thrown multiple passes that against a decent defense would have been sure interceptions. It isn't the numbers (although last season's are a little more representative of his body of work against decent/good teams than this season's) it is the decision making that leads to the numbers and luck. So far luck has been on TA's side but it won't be against MSU or Wiscy. But stats that contradict the party-line of "TA is the second coming of Tommie Frazier get ignored. 53% passing against cupcakes is downright embarrassing. Explain it away all you want, but unless he shows some improvement we're going to get killed against our conference opponents.

 

[Branno]

I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?

I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

I defended T-Mart with the same vigor. And Zac Lee, and Joey Ganz, and Sam Keller, and Zac Taylor, and....

I don't get the idea of picking favorites on a team, to the detriment of other guys on the team. They're all my guys. Not saying that's what's going on here, but we've definitely seen this with anti-Martinez threads in the past, and anti-Keller, etc.

That 9/8 TD/INT ratio is awful, no question. But that was his first year starting, as a Redshirt Freshman, and he was really raw. If we'd have had the luxury of letting him get all polished up last year in backup duty while Martinez had a glorious senior year, that would have been ideal, but it didn't work out that way and it's pretty obvious Tommy was really, really raw.

Despite that, he had flashes of brilliance last year. That game against Michigan, in front of the largest crowd in college football, was great. It spoke volumes about his mental toughness, even though he was still mistake-prone.

This year he's got a 9/1 ratio, I think. Surely that's reason for great optimism, isn't it?

My post was mostly targeted to sd'sker. But I want to address the idea that I am not optimistic. I am, I've said it multiple times that I don't think there is a sure loss on our schedule. I think TA can be a GREAT QB at Nebraska. But that doesn't mean I won't point out areas I'd like for him to improve in. But that gets lost here. Instead of discussing the merits, we get posts like sd'skers (I'm not sure I've ever seen him actually argue the merits, he seems to favor making snide comments).

Is it so bad to want our starter to improve? Is it, like you seem to infer, impossible to be critical and supportive at the same time?

I don't like TA's completion percentage. The reply is always, "in our system that doesn't matter" even though against McNeese State it almost cost us the game. Or I get, "Frazier's completion percentage was in the same range" but TA is no Tommie Frazier.

I want us to win. I want TA to win. But it seems like to some, I can only be supportive by claiming TA is the best QB in the country and has no faults.

 

[Hunter94]

1) I think it's weird to be so critical of a fan for having valid concerns about the starter. Did you defend TMart with such vigor the past 4 years?
2) I didn't realize that being excited we have a competent backup means I can't have criticisms for the starter. Or that my expectations for the very different roles can't be different. I want TA to be great (which currently, he is not) and I want Fyfe to be good enough to play if he has to (which he is).

3) I've mentioned it several times, but I find his 9-8 TD/INT ratio from last year concerning. Especially given that I have not seen the improvement that I expected from him in the offseason (I know I'm not the only one that has seen opposing defenses drop sure interceptions). I want TA to improve as a QB, sue me.

1) Valid concerns about the starter are fine. You're using a strawman argument that suggests others are saying you can't have concerns, which is not what's happening or being discussed. And who cares about which fans said what about TM?

2) I simply disagree with your opinion that Fyfe is good enough to play. I haven't seen enough from him. He's thrown some REALLY bad passes into the dirt, which is worse than what TA has shown. So I'm leaning more towards poor passer than good passer.

3) TA went from 9-8 TD/INT to 7-1. What more could you possibly want for a sign of improvement? If you're going to criticize him at least us a compelling stat and not one that contradicts your conclusion.

1. These same fans that constantly attacked TM are the ones attacking anyone that criticizes TA.

2. I think he is good enough to play AS A BACKUP. I'm tired of this straw man that people want Fyfe to play over Tommy.

3. 7-1 against weak a$$ secondaries. He has thrown multiple passes that against a decent defense would have been sure interceptions. It isn't the numbers (although last season's are a little more representative of his body of work against decent/good teams than this season's) it is the decision making that leads to the numbers and luck. So far luck has been on TA's side but it won't be against MSU or Wiscy. But stats that contradict the party-line of "TA is the second coming of Tommie Frazier get ignored. 53% passing against cupcakes is downright embarrassing. Explain it away all you want, but unless he shows some improvement we're going to get killed against our conference opponents.

there is a lot of football left to play...........Beck can do a lot to keep Tommie out of risky situations.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I would just like to point out that without RK3's Hail Mary, Armstrong would only be 9-1