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saunders45 said:
You guys are arguing semantics. The on paper RPM/ROF of those rifles is identical, because it's based on a hypothetical number. The real world numbers are obviously different.
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So the guy who has been complaining about the spread of misinformation (while apparently not knowing too much about the Mini-14 himself) is basing his beliefs at least partially on a hypothetical number that is obviously different from the real world?

That's rich.

 
Come on Carl, I'm convinced you're being intentionally obtuse now. You know where I'm going with this but would rather argue semantics instead. Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.

 
MidnightRider said:
carlfense said:
saunders45 said:
Hooked on Huskers said:
Dummy here ....

What's the difference between M-16 and AR-15
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? Myself, no difference.
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One is a real "assault rifle" and can shoot fully automatic. The other cannot.
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Actually, my understanding is that most M-16s in service are no longer fully automatic.
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That is correct but they are still select fire, just like some M-4s so his intent is on point. That full auto thing didn't work out very well in Vietnam and sucks for accuracy anyway.
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Very true Midnight. The burst is way better for accuracy and getting the amount of rounds into a target for a sure kill without a lot of waste.

 
HUSKER FREAK said:
MidnightRider said:
carlfense said:
saunders45 said:
Hooked on Huskers said:
Dummy here ....

What's the difference between M-16 and AR-15
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? Myself, no difference.
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One is a real "assault rifle" and can shoot fully automatic. The other cannot.
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Actually, my understanding is that most M-16s in service are no longer fully automatic.
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That is correct but they are still select fire, just like some M-4s so his intent is on point. That full auto thing didn't work out very well in Vietnam and sucks for accuracy anyway.
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Very true Midnight. The burst is way better for accuracy and getting the amount of rounds into a target for a sure kill without a lot of waste.
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Know what is even better for accuracy?

 
MidnightRider said:
Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.
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Did you see me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere in this thread? Or have you seen me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere else?

You seem awfully hung up on the term "assault rifle" for someone who is complaining about a focus on semantics. Similarly, you seem awfully misinformed (or at least uninformed) about the Mini 14 for someone who seemed gleeful about other people spreading misinformation.

Carry on.

 
Carlfense I would say Practice or a bolt action riffle, but I was talking about in combat, not out hunting animals. Although some days I feel that burst would be pretty nice when I am shaking to much when hunting (I'm kidding).

 
carlfense said:
MidnightRider said:
Select fire is the difference between the pic of the 14s I posted and a true assault rifle. You're not going to squeeze that trigger as quickly as a full auto cycles.
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Did you see me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere in this thread? Or have you seen me call the Mini 14 an assault rifle anywhere else?

You seem awfully hung up on the term "assault rifle" for someone who is complaining about a focus on semantics. Similarly, you seem awfully misinformed (or at least uninformed) about the Mini 14 for someone who seemed gleeful about other people spreading misinformation.

Carry on.
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The mini 14 was never the point and I admit that I don't know a lot about this platform. The point was that all of the gun control idiots run around sreaming ban assault rifles when most have no clue as to what one truly is. None of the weapons depicted in that image are assault rifles but I've seen them, and many others, incorrectly (probably intentionally) labeled as such. They are semi-automatic rifles. Nothing more but I'm sure you already knew that as well. My posts were actually directed to Junior as he was the one proposing the ban on assault rifles, high cap mags etc. and you chimed in so that may be where you're getting some of your misguided impressions of my intent.

Again, you knew where I was going with this and you're intentionally muddying the waters. Misinformation indeed.

Have the best day ever.

Edit: So yeah, I'm ALL KINDS of hung up on the term. Its the lynchpin of any gun grabbers argument. And that is just plain dumb.

 
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Midnight, as a fellow gun guy.... just stop. You're coming across as condescending and trying to create an argument where there is none. Carlfense may be a buttface (i keed), but he's a gun guy too.

 
saunders45 said:
Midnight, as a fellow gun guy.... just stop. You're coming across as condescending and trying to create an argument where there is none. Carlfense may be a buttface (i keed), but he's a gun guy too.
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Stop what? My argument was never with Carl, it was with Junior but apparently Carl felt that it was directed towards him so I got a bit pissy. I have no issues with him, never have. I actually agree with a lot of what he says in other threads and comes across as an intelligent and competent dude.

Why you all up in my Kool Aid, homie?

 
Why have we made so little progress in preventing gun violence over the past few decades?
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Interesting....

From the Bureau of Justice Statistics

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  • Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011.
  • Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 million victimizations in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.
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