Gun Control
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DefenderAO
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Agreed. Age old.
I've stated where I believe the root issue is and where objective truth can be found. That road is narrow and unpopular.
Here would be an example - we both would converge murder is bad. What if you were told having hate for someone can be murder? You'd be a murderer, like me.
I suspect very few subscribe to the latter as we would all be convicted (I'm not exempt).
Understanding our nature as falling short (all murderers, adulterers, thieves, etc) then gives a. perspective and scope to individual failure and b. availability for reform.
Lorewarn
New member
No you haven't. You've just said the root issue is "mental health", which is a vague descriptor but isn't actually pointing at anything specific.
What sensical legislation with credence that works in regards to mental health do you support?
DefenderAO
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At the very core, the first cause is individual brokenness. In rare occasions that leads some mentally/morally ill people doing things like mass shootings. Taking the guns, like we did the bazookas, is not addressing the root cause. Since that part is more difficult, at least focus attention on the things that are killing more people (pistols) and in the areas that have the higher incident rates.
More widely, if a multitude of individuals are good with things like grown men throwing dollar bills at 11 year olds dressed, and the media-driven agenda calls it "fierce," what widespread reform, in the form of legislation, are you expecting? Many people believe "health" is to have these kids realize/actualize these thoughts or fantasies. I, obviously, disagree.
Here's one thought - start with reform in the public school systems where we're not promoting material in elementary and Jr High schools that have no educational value and are highly sexually charged. They serve no value for those ages. And the more energetic members here took that thought as a Nazi book burning party. SMH.
So you want a proposal of mental health when the majority of active members on this site are ignorant of, apathetic towards, see nothing wrong with, or champion these ideas with kids. Even a sentiment of starting with individually understanding our own brokenness would be a win, then go from there.
But we can't even get to that acknowledgement baseline and relate to name calling and ad hominem attacks against things we don't like...
Decoy73
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Why is a simple question so difficult to answer?
Why is the United States the only country that a broken individual can walk into a gun store and walk out the same day with a high capacity weapon designed for killing people efficiently? And why when this person does just that, often soon thereafter and to often innocent people and in mass quantities, do seemingly reasonable people not realize how we can fairly easily fix this problem or at least reduce its occurrence in the short term while we tackle bigger picture items involving human psychological health that are important but may take years to resolve?
Why is the United States the only country that a broken individual can walk into a gun store and walk out the same day with a high capacity weapon designed for killing people efficiently? And why when this person does just that, often soon thereafter and to often innocent people and in mass quantities, do seemingly reasonable people not realize how we can fairly easily fix this problem or at least reduce its occurrence in the short term while we tackle bigger picture items involving human psychological health that are important but may take years to resolve?
Lorewarn
New member
Another vague descriptor that isn't actually pointing at anything specific. Everyone is broken to some extent (I'm sure you and your hiding Christian theology can hold water for the doctrine of original sin). Even those who grew up under the most morally upright parents and the most mentally and ethically rich schooling under the sun still have trauma.
So you don't think talking about bazookas addresses the root cause, but you think talking about porn in school libraries and drag shows are addressing the root cause?
When given the opportunity to share what legislative solutions you actually support and think are sensical to reduce gun violence, out of every conceivable idea under the sun, your best idea is to get sexually explicit material out of schools?
In the gun violence thread, when asked what legislation you support to curb gun violence, the best idea you got to reduce gun violence is 'don't give the kids sex material' in regards to gun violence?
don't really know what else to say other than
lol
even Archy is mostly able to stay on-topic and find common ground with many in regards to solutions to the problem.
I don't think anyone is really apathetic or ignorant of the theoretical idea of institutions promoting porn to kids - I think everyone's just really bewildered, flabbergasted and entertained by your fascinating obsession with that one very hyper specific and very overblown problem against the backdrop of a thread that has nothing to do with the topic.
BigRedBuster
Active member
Dude, the entire discussion around the prevention of gun deaths is laughable.
I guess I should have just typed T&P and been done with it.
No, you shouldn’t have made fun of a dead 2 yr old and just ranted about an a$$h@!e parent leaving out a loaded weapon like the rest of society.
BigRedBuster
Active member
But...isn't what I said the gun lobby's arguing point? Hey....if everyone has a gun....less gun deaths. Just trying to promote a solution.
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If you can point to me where the gun lobby is arguing a 2 yr old should have a gun, that would be appreciated.
BigRedBuster
Active member
Everyone needs a gun. More guns the better. And...let's keep the age limit low to buy them.....oh....and no background checks. Heck...just carry it in public without a license.
Oh well....
T&P.
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JJ Husker
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You really struggle with cause and effect situations of all kinds. Of course the gun lobby isn’t arguing that 2 yr olds should have a gun. But the logical conclusion of what the gun lobby desires is more guns everywhere. Gee, do you think that might have the deleterious effect of people, who we don’t want to have guns, having more guns?
The logic seems to evade you, a lot.
I still didn’t see 2yr old gun ownership in that statement.
Does the gun lobby REALLY say everyone needs a gun? Do they say NO background checks?
Im the type of voter you would want to have for gun reform. A supporter of gun rights who thinks things need to get reformed. Yet these ridiculous statements hurt your cause.
Please address that to Buster as he’s the one who said it. I was merely trying to correct him. if someone makes ridiculous statements like he did, expect them to be called out.
You are really struggling with following the posting.
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