Gun Control

VectorVictor said:
As for gun control, the thing I keep going back to is that the Amendment calls for a well-regulated militia. If these owners want to consider themselves militia for gun ownership, then that's fine. That means they need to be regulated, which would include:

  • Testing and verification of competence of gun ownership (e.g. Gun Licenses) 
  • Insurance for Firearm ownership, including Liability and Theft insurance (make it requisite, or one is fined/goes to jail if an incident occurs without)
  • Semi-automatic rifles of all types cannot be stored in the home. Instead, make gun clubs a requirement for semi-auto rifle ownership. I mean, FFS, you shouldn't be hunting with them if you're any kind of sportsman, and there's no reason to keep them at home. You're primary use for these weapons is for fun at the range, which is where they should be stored and the weapons can be checked in/out on a 12 hour basis (longer is available for dealers or for shooting competitors). 
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Exactly. I've basically arrived at the conclusion that Scalia et al mucked up DC vs. Heller after years of pro-gun activism by the NRA & this is how we got to where we're at. If I could rewrite that decision today to align with the collectivist view (people have the right to guns for militia purposes) vs. the individualist view (people have the right to guns for whatever they want), I would do so.

For instance, I just did some perusing of the Scalia opinion in that case. Did you know he interpreted the phrase "well-regulated" to mean "the imposition of proper discipline and training" rather than anything about guns? What a bunch of phooey.

As you've pointed out, they've neatly severed that initial part of the amendment ("Well-regulated militia") from the modern interpretation at the behest of the NRA, because fewer regulations mean more gun sales.

 
VectorVictor said:
Problem is, you're going to lose manufacturers for both Ammo and Firearms every time you go through a cycle. Not a long-term prescription for success in any industry. A genius marking ploy is one that can sustain sales--not create peaks and troughs in your sales. 

And if there are moves made to restrict AR ownership/sales and/or impose some control over sales, you won't need to wait for a Democratic congress for this to happen. Just make sure you have plenty of popcorn on hand for the fireworks.  :snacks:
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This "Trump" cycle is the only one they have lost in.  A typical Republican would not have caused this downturn in sales.

 
dudeguyy said:
Did you know he interpreted the phrase "well-regulated" to mean "the imposition of proper discipline and training" rather than anything about guns? What a bunch of phooey.
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I don't think that interpretation is a bunch of phooey.  The constitution's well-regulated militia is directly related to the Articles of Federation 's definition of the same, and it (the AOF) has a longer and more descriptive version.

basically it refers to State Militias (forerunners to the National Guard).  In the early days there were many issues with training, supplies, and deserters, because it was a part-time civilian force.  

Scalia's interpretation sounds more accurate to the original intent to me.  The question I have is the original intent of the second part.  It may have referred to militias too, but it sure doesn't read that way.  I wish the framers had added a sentence or two to clarify it all.

i think there is folly in thinking the constitution is perfect and not needing revisions.

 
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So....I'm sitting here listening to the meeting at the White House with parents, teachers and kids on gun control and school violence.

Guess what, almost everyone I have heard speak have gone through the, "thank you President Trump for doing such a great job.  I know you will do the right thing and thank you for your leadership"

What a farce.  

 
BigRedBuster said:
So....I'm sitting here listening to the meeting at the White House with parents, teachers and kids on gun control and school violence.

Guess what, almost everyone I have heard speak have gone through the, "thank you President Trump for doing such a great job.  I know you will do the right thing and thank you for your leadership"

What a farce.  
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Were any of those kids the ones who were publicly complaining about political inaction after the shooting?

 
Let me ask you this.  I fully support making changes to our gun laws to help prevent mass shootings.   I keep seeing people say we need to ban all semi-automatic guns.  Are we talking about certain kinds of semi-automatics or all semi-automatics?  I think there needs to be some education on exactly what that all means.  Let me give two examples.

1)  I have used semi-automatic shot guns for bird hunting.  They are very good for this use and, for the most part, aren't any different than a pump shotgun as far as ability for someone to take it and kill masses of people.

2)  I have never owned a hand gun simply because I have never had a need.  However, a hobby I have wanted to get into when I finally become and empty nester (May 2018  :) ) is to to more hiking and camping in the mountains.  This is bear and mountain lion country.  I know people who do this and have been talking to them for a long time.  One thing is, you take a hand gun for safety.  You don't want to be staring down a mountain lion and not be able to protect yourself.

Both of these examples use semi-automatic weapons for completely reasonable and non-threatening reasons.

How can we balance this.

 
I'm sure they screened them ...

I also know that no matter how much I dislike a customer, I know to flatter him/her and make small talk before I go in for the kill.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Let me ask you this.  I fully support making changes to our gun laws to help prevent mass shootings.   I keep seeing people say we need to ban all semi-automatic guns.  Are we talking about certain kinds of semi-automatics or all semi-automatics?  I think there needs to be some education on exactly what that all means.  Let me give two examples.

1)  I have used semi-automatic shot guns for bird hunting.  They are very good for this use and, for the most part, aren't any different than a pump shotgun as far as ability for someone to take it and kill masses of people.

2)  I have never owned a hand gun simply because I have never had a need.  However, a hobby I have wanted to get into when I finally become and empty nester (May 2018  :) ) is to to more hiking and camping in the mountains.  This is bear and mountain lion country.  I know people who do this and have been talking to them for a long time.  One thing is, you take a hand gun for safety.  You don't want to be staring down a mountain lion and not be able to protect yourself.

Both of these examples use semi-automatic weapons for completely reasonable and non-threatening reasons.

How can we balance this.
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We need better definitions of what is or isn't a semi-automatic weapon, and/or what is or isn't an "assault weapon," because there's debate about what those are even among gun aficionados. 

 
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