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[The Dude]

I realize they aren't the same thing. There is definitely a difference between the two - which I also noted in my post. But many people are talking about 7-8 wins as what they are expecting this year. They aren't talking about it simply as a possibility.

Then why didn't you say that?

I have not seen a single person, except the perpetual pessimists, say that they expect us to win 7 games.

Well yeah, that's how straw man arguments work.

 

[teachercd]

Why don't we just start a thread on how many games you think NU will win this year.

Just talking with a lot of people I know, I know lots of people that are predicting seven or eight wins.

 

[Scratchtown]

But I don't get why so many won't even say we should be expected to win at least 9. For all the complaining about how easy it is that it's even mocked to bring up winning 9 games because basically a drunk monkey could coach the Huskers to 9 wins and now we have better coaches at every single position and they will actually develop the players and put them in much better positions to do well along with play the players that deserve to play .......... but we might only win 7. Doesn't add up.

Bingo.

Double bingo! It's not fair to have it both ways. You can't say how great this new coaching staff is but then freely admit that they might struggle to get seven or eight wins while at the same time saying any staff can get nine wins every year.I am all for giving the new staff plenty of time, we gave Bo plenty of time and in reality he won at least nine games every year. There's no reason Riley can't do the same thing.

Triple duh from you.

8-4 is the vegas line on NU this year. If you think it will be different, make your prediction and support it with some reasons.

Mavric you use the non quantitative word "expectation" like it means something but it doesn't mean anything. It might mean 51% likely, it might mean 100%. I think you are confused about what others have said because you don't know yourself what a forecast is. A forecast is an educated guess (or a entirely unfounded stupid one) and in the case of season win totals would ALWAYS be properly described by a PROBABILITY DISTRIBUTION not by some meaningless word. Vegas has 8-4 as the PD tipping point but the actual distribution they know and it would be something like 28% 8-4, 24% 7-5, 23% 9-3 etc.

Since some here seem to not know why the Vegas line is 8-4, I'll tell you why. The schedule. The QB. The RB.

The Vegas opinion could shift quite bit after the Miami game AFTER seeing the REALITY of NU vs. the schedule and the actual performance of the players. If there are no material surprises after 3 games, the power rank will remain unchanged.

How great coaches are? Everybody (almost) knows this staff is an upgrade. However schedule, how the ball bounces, and the time it takes to improve player performances (including upgrades with new players) determine annual w/l. Improved staffs typically "really prove it" in the third year. If NU's 2017 is not a meaningful improvement in POWER RANK over the 25ish of the last staff, that will be time to consider why NU didn't get better.

POWER RANK....is THE metric people SHOULD use when considering how good a team is. Not W/L. Bowls. CCG's (in a freaking 14 TEAM Conference with Urban Meyer OSU in it, plus 3 other Kings and and 2-3 princes).

K.

 

[True2tRA]

Why don't we just start a thread on how many games you think NU will win this year.

Just talking with a lot of people I know, I know lots of people that are predicting seven or eight wins.

Those bastards! What the hell is wrong with them?

 

[True2tRA]

If Riley doesn't win at least 9 games this year, then fire him and bring back Bo! At least we know Bo can win 9!

 

[Mavric]

I realize they aren't the same thing. There is definitely a difference between the two - which I also noted in my post. But many people are talking about 7-8 wins as what they are expecting this year. They aren't talking about it simply as a possibility.

Then why didn't you say that?

I have not seen a single person, except the perpetual pessimists, say that they expect us to win 7 games.

Ummmmm ..... because I did say that?

I'm well aware of what the Vegas line is. I would jump on the over if I was a betting man. I can see a push but I "expect" the over. I would be surprised with 7 (or fewer) wins. That doesn't mean it can't happen. That means I definitely do not "expect" it to happen.

 

[Mavric]

What is the same about them? Other than this infatuation with slapping a number on it, what is the same?

You want me to prove that 9=9 without using numbers. That will be difficult.

 

[Landlord]

I realize they aren't the same thing. There is definitely a difference between the two - which I also noted in my post. But many people are talking about 7-8 wins as what they are expecting this year. They aren't talking about it simply as a possibility.

Then why didn't you say that?

I have not seen a single person, except the perpetual pessimists, say that they expect us to win 7 games.

Ummmmm ..... because I did say that?

I'm well aware of what the Vegas line is. I would jump on the over if I was a betting man. I can see a push but I "expect" the over. I would be surprised with 7 (or fewer) wins. That doesn't mean it can't happen. That means I definitely do not "expect" it to happen.

Your entire post was about the expectations of the people on this board, but then you flip flopped at the end by talking about how you've heard so many people say that 7 wins is possible, then in your next post which I quoted, you flipped again and went back to people not just talking about it as a possibility.

Can you link me to more than.....I don't know, two or three people on the board who have said they expect us to win 7 games?

 

[True2tRA]

What is the same about them? Other than this infatuation with slapping a number on it, what is the same?

You want me to prove that 9=9 without using numbers. That will be difficult.

Boy that went right over your head.

I even specifically said it wasn't about the number 9 but you went right back to it.

 

[Mavric]

I realize they aren't the same thing. There is definitely a difference between the two - which I also noted in my post. But many people are talking about 7-8 wins as what they are expecting this year. They aren't talking about it simply as a possibility.

Then why didn't you say that?

I have not seen a single person, except the perpetual pessimists, say that they expect us to win 7 games.

Ummmmm ..... because I did say that?

I'm well aware of what the Vegas line is. I would jump on the over if I was a betting man. I can see a push but I "expect" the over. I would be surprised with 7 (or fewer) wins. That doesn't mean it can't happen. That means I definitely do not "expect" it to happen.

Your entire post was about the expectations of the people on this board, but then you flip flopped at the end by talking about how you've heard so many people say that 7 wins is possible, then in your next post which I quoted, you flipped again and went back to people not just talking about it as a possibility.

Can you link me to more than.....I don't know, two or three people on the board who have said they expect us to win 7 games?

No, the issue is you're not reading closely enough.

I started a poll. Thought about that yesterday but didn't get it done until today.

To answer your question - which is what I've said all along if you read more closely - you don't have to look at too many threads to see people talking about "only" winning eight or even seven games this year. The Vegas line is 8. Even McKewon has mentioned more than once that 7-9 should be what we're looking at. How many have specifically said "I expect to win seven"? Not very many. But we've gone round and round on all the reasons why people won't be surprised if 7 or 8 is all we win this year. There is almost no talk about winning more than nine.

Given that we've won 9 for the last seven years in a row and now most can't stop gushing about how basically every aspect of the program is improved, I don't get all the talk about how we might struggle this year and already making all the excuses for why we might not win as much. Especially when we have almost an identical schedule as last year.

There is basically no reason for this other than to want make basically any season look like a success. Or be able to point back at the end of the season and say "Well, we thought we might only win 7 to start the year so we did basically as expected". It's implied expectations as opposed to the overt use of the word you seem hung up on.

 

[Mavric]

What is the same about them? Other than this infatuation with slapping a number on it, what is the same?

You want me to prove that 9=9 without using numbers. That will be difficult.

Boy that went right over your head.

I even specifically said it wasn't about the number 9 but you went right back to it.

No. You can't argue against what I'm saying so you have to try to change the argument to something else.

We are talking about how many games we are going to win this year. We have won (at least) nine games each of the past seven years. It doesn't matter how we won or how we lost. Ws vs. Ls. Suddenly you interject "it's more about how we lost".

 

[Mavric]

By the way, I "expect" almost no one to choose the bottom two options. Maybe a few will choose 8. Almost everyone will go 9+.

That is what I "expect" to see and what I think should happen. But I doubt it stops the same people - assuming they'll actually put their vote out there - from still finding lots of excuses to talk about - even before the seasons starts.

 

[True2tRA]

I'm talking about the "expectations" of the people on this board. And I'm surprised at how many posters consider 7 a very real possibility - especially with the amount of praise being heaped on the new staff and how many like to put all of the blame for "only" winning 9 games every year on the old staff.

I feel like I remind you and a few others of this quite often:

It wasn't the nine wins that was the issue, the problem was the 4 losses and the way the team tended to lose them.

I don't disagree.

What does that have to do with winning those same 9 games this year?

My issue is that you've made it sound as if its so simple.
The way you've said the old coaches managed to win nine, and these guys are better coaches, so that should equal "the same nine wins" as if it's just a given.

I don't think its that simple. I don't think its the "same" at all. Its all really truly different entirely. Like I said.

 

[teachercd]

I don't understand how people think there are not Husker fans predicting under 9 wins while at the same time telling everyone what a huge upgrade this staff is and how a bag of poop could coach the Huskers to 9 wins.

Heck ALL we heard last year was how a bag of poop could coach the team to 9 wins. Why are people pretending like that is not the case?

 

[RADAR]

I don't understand how people think there are not Husker fans predicting under 9 wins while at the same time telling everyone what a huge upgrade this staff is and how a bag of poop could coach the Huskers to 9 wins.

Heck ALL we heard last year was how a bag of poop could coach the team to 9 wins. Why are people pretending like that is not the case?

But can he coach the team to 9 wins without stinking the place up, the last one couldn't. I expect Riley can.