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huKSer
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Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
lo country
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I think Phil Steel says 7-1 in conference. I think the turn over of guys like Bell and AA on offense, with new staff (in a new conference) and a new system with unproven RB's has some concerned (DL depth, LB depth etc). I look at our schedule and see BYU and UM as big tests. Win against BYU and then against UM on the road and we are going into conference play pretty confident. Steele has UM as the most improved team for 2015.... Go in 2-2 and I think the guys start getting worried......Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
Saunders
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One of Steele's power rankings says 7-1, another says 3-5. He's got us 2nd in the division behind Wisconsin and ahead of Minnesota.I think Phil Steel says 7-1 in conference. I think the turn over of guys like Bell and AA on offense, with new staff (in a new conference) and a new system with unproven RB's has some concerned (DL depth, LB depth etc). I look at our schedule and see BYU and UM as big tests. Win against BYU and then against UM on the road and we are going into conference play pretty confident. Steele has UM as the most improved team for 2015.... Go in 2-2 and I think the guys start getting worried......Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
If the new staff is worth 1-2 wins, then we should be a 10 or 11 win team.
True2tRA
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7-5? Hmmm, I don't know about that. I think we can do a little bit better. Heck, we might even reach that 11 win mark. I don't know at this point. I'd really like to see a little bit of football before I too far into trying to guess the win/loss record of a first year HC and entirely new staff.Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
My issue with your comments Saunders and Mavric is this:
If we would win 11, I hope you would understand that really is a huge credit to the staff and this team for pulling it all together so quickly. There's a lot more to it than just simply saying better coach = more wins. Now maybe given a couple years, systems implemented, some players recruited, and familiarity is developed, then you get a real sample of what you should expect.
Same for is they go 7-5. In no way would I view a 7-5 season in Riley's first year as an indication of how the next four or five years (whatever they get) would go. I think a new coach and a new staff deserve a little bit more than 1 season to set their standard and make it clear as to what their capabilities are.
So yea, I do expect improvement. I do think these coaches are better than the previous staff. I don't necessarily expect it all to come together in the first season. Sorry, I don't. I don't truly understand the mindset of somebody that does. Bo Pelini alway used the word "process" and he was right. It is a process. Bo had seven years for us to see how his process worked and what the results would be. Mike Riley and his guys sure as hell get more than one year for us to learn what his cieling is.
Mierin
Donor
I think when most people say that they mean on average, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen immediately in the 1st year.One of Steele's power rankings says 7-1, another says 3-5. He's got us 2nd in the division behind Wisconsin and ahead of Minnesota.I think Phil Steel says 7-1 in conference. I think the turn over of guys like Bell and AA on offense, with new staff (in a new conference) and a new system with unproven RB's has some concerned (DL depth, LB depth etc). I look at our schedule and see BYU and UM as big tests. Win against BYU and then against UM on the road and we are going into conference play pretty confident. Steele has UM as the most improved team for 2015.... Go in 2-2 and I think the guys start getting worried......Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
If the new staff is worth 1-2 wins, then we should be a 10 or 11 win team.
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Saunders
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I certainly agree that he gets more than one year, no question. But, the great/elite coaches seem to have a better record in year one than their predecessor the vast majority of the time. How much of that is due to better coaching, and how much is simply because the previous guy underperformed, I don't know. But 7-5 gives me serious doubts.7-5? Hmmm, I don't know about that. I think we can do a little bit better. Heck, we might even reach that 11 win mark. I don't know at this point. I'd really like to see a little bit of football before I too far into trying to guess the win/loss record of a first year HC and entirely new staff.Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
My issue with your comments Saunders and Mavric is this:
If we would win 11, I hope you would understand that really is a huge credit to the staff and this team for pulling it all together so quickly. There's a lot more to it than just simply saying better coach = more wins. Now maybe given a couple years, systems implemented, some players recruited, and familiarity is developed, then you get a real sample of what you should expect.
Same for is they go 7-5. In no way would I view a 7-5 season in Riley's first year as an indication of how the next four or five years (whatever they get) would go. I think a new coach and a new staff deserve a little bit more than 1 season to set their standard and make it clear as to what their capabilities are.
So yea, I do expect improvement. I do think these coaches are better than the previous staff. I don't necessarily expect it all to come together in the first season. Sorry, I don't. I don't truly understand the mindset of somebody that does. Bo Pelini alway used the word "process" and he was right. It is a process. Bo had seven years for us to see how his process worked and what the results would be. Mike Riley and his guys sure as hell get more than one year for us to learn what his cieling is.
Mavric
Yoda
I agree. I don't think one year proves anything one way or the other. Though I doubt the tune will be the same if we win 11. It'll be "see how much better this team is now that we have real coaches". But if we only win 7 it won't be because the new coaches failed to deliver, just that they need more time. Interesting how things like that work.7-5? Hmmm, I don't know about that. I think we can do a little bit better. Heck, we might even reach that 11 win mark. I don't know at this point. I'd really like to see a little bit of football before I too far into trying to guess the win/loss record of a first year HC and entirely new staff.Yep. Everything is dramatically better. But we're probably a 7-5 team.
My issue with your comments Saunders and Mavric is this:
If we would win 11, I hope you would understand that really is a huge credit to the staff and this team for pulling it all together so quickly. There's a lot more to it than just simply saying better coach = more wins. Now maybe given a couple years, systems implemented, some players recruited, and familiarity is developed, then you get a real sample of what you should expect.
Same for is they go 7-5. In no way would I view a 7-5 season in Riley's first year as an indication of how the next four or five years (whatever they get) would go. I think a new coach and a new staff deserve a little bit more than 1 season to set their standard and make it clear as to what their capabilities are.
So yea, I do expect improvement. I do think these coaches are better than the previous staff. I don't necessarily expect it all to come together in the first season. Sorry, I don't. I don't truly understand the mindset of somebody that does. Bo Pelini alway used the word "process" and he was right. It is a process. Bo had seven years for us to see how his process worked and what the results would be. Mike Riley and his guys sure as hell get more than one year for us to learn what his cieling is.
But I don't get why so many won't even say we should be expected to win at least 9. For all the complaining about how easy it is that it's even mocked to bring up winning 9 games because basically a drunk monkey could coach the Huskers to 9 wins and now we have better coaches at every single position and they will actually develop the players and put them in much better positions to do well along with play the players that deserve to play .......... but we might only win 7. Doesn't add up.
Mavric
Yoda
McNeese St (maybe) and ..... which other?
And are we accounting for never having to worry about losing to Minnesota with real coaches?
The Dude
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Miami
Yeah, I'm comfortable predicting a win over Minnesota. I'd even be so bold as to say we don't get blown out by Wisconsin.
Landlord
Banned
Well, the schedule this year might end up shaping up to be quite a bit more daunting than last. BYU is absolutely no slouch, and Miami with sophomore Brad Kaaya at their place will be a very tough out.
It will be interesting, though. I generally don't make predictions because how the hell do I have any idea, but I don't think 10 wins is unreasonable at all.
Mavric
Yoda
AA had a great game but I don't think you can say we would have lost that game without him. They needed a last-second garbage TD to make it look closer than it was. TA had a very good game. You don't run for 343 yards without the OLine doing well. And the defense forced three turnovers (should have been four). That's a pretty complete team effort.
Saunders
Administrator
Landlord
Banned
Even if Bo was a drunk monkey,
even if every single position has a better coach,
even if the players are developed better and put in better positions,
we could still win 7 games.
There are SO many variables to a football season, and many of them are out of our control. Even Nick Saban and Urban Meyer inexplicably lose games. That's why we love sports, because of the element of the unknown. And that's why I personally don't have expectations for Riley and co. Not because I don't think they're better or worse, I don't know, even though I think Riley is/will be a much better coach than Bo, but because I don't see that there's any reason to have expectations at all.