Happy Jayhawk....

Paul in WI said:
Whatever the other schools do to rationalize their decisions in order to be able to look themselves in the mirror is fine by me. Don't hold your breath waiting for distributions in the amounts that they're floating around, however. Those figures were fed to the media as part of an illusion of prosperity that they're currently trying to convey will exist in a post NU/CU Big 12. By the time the truth is known, this story will no longer be in the nation's consciousness and the lie will have served its purpose. In short: Don't believe those dollar figures until you start cashing the checks.
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it seems like those numbers were thrown out to either entice TU to stay, or so TU could stay in the big 12 without admitting defeat in their pac 10 negotiations. either way, those numbers are not legitimate.

 
Judoka said:
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Street Novelist said:
I hate to be the one who breaks the news jayhawk, but Texas is going to roll in a lot more money than Kansas. They wouldn't have agreed to stay in the Big 12(10?) otherwise...and deep down you have to know you are now Texas' b!^@h
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Yankees roll in a lot more money than everyne else too. It is the economics of it. Texas has all the cards, they have the big markets, the most alum, it just is what it is. I can see why they don't want to share evenly, the other schools don't bring as much to the table. Glad you all are happy with your move, but we still have schools to run and sports teams to field and our revenue will be going way up. All of us can start our own network, not just UT. They just happen to be able to be able to make it viable all by themselves. Good for them. Why shouldn't Longhorn fans have their own netowrk if they can find enough people to watch? Nothing is stopping ISU, but who will watch? I havent seen the details, but if ISU gets $17 Million and you all get $20 Million for football, given what just went down, I think ISU takes that deal and smiles BIG.
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Just so long as the four of you have your exit strategies planned out before the implosion.
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Our biggest issue is tha Pac 10 spot we would have gotten is now in Utah's hands, so it won't be there next time. A lot of landscape can change between now and then, but it is a fair point... We need to keep our football program improving and keep the facility improvements coming too...

 
Paul in WI said:
Whatever the other schools do to rationalize their decisions in order to be able to look themselves in the mirror is fine by me. Don't hold your breath waiting for distributions in the amounts that they're floating around, however. Those figures were fed to the media as part of an illusion of prosperity that they're currently trying to convey will exist in a post NU/CU Big 12. By the time the truth is known, this story will no longer be in the nation's consciousness and the lie will have served its purpose. In short: Don't believe those dollar figures until you start cashing the checks.
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I hear a lot of folks thought the Pac 10 numbers were more questionable... Not to say I know if these are legit, as I do not.

 
jayhawk said:
Paul in WI said:
Whatever the other schools do to rationalize their decisions in order to be able to look themselves in the mirror is fine by me. Don't hold your breath waiting for distributions in the amounts that they're floating around, however. Those figures were fed to the media as part of an illusion of prosperity that they're currently trying to convey will exist in a post NU/CU Big 12. By the time the truth is known, this story will no longer be in the nation's consciousness and the lie will have served its purpose. In short: Don't believe those dollar figures until you start cashing the checks.
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I hear a lot of folks thought the Pac 10 numbers were more questionable... Not to say I know if these are legit, as I do not.
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The problem is, both Big 12 and Pac-10 were making suppositional figures. Neither conference is due to renew their contracts until 2011, so in the meantime all they can do is give schools a verbal "ballpark" figure, but in business, a verbal pledge isn't worth its salt alone.

This is why I'm skeptical of the numbers being loosely thrown around by Beebe and the media. However, it might comfort you knowing that the ACC did renegotiate their contract last month with ESPN to the tune of $155 million/yr., which breaks down to about $13 million per school. Therefore I can see a smaller Big 12 getting anywhere from $13-16 million, but again, it remains to be seen. Until then, we're left with what Beebe "thinks" you're worth versus what the TV execs who draw up the actual contracts know what you're worth.

 
sd said:
Paul in WI said:
Whatever the other schools do to rationalize their decisions in order to be able to look themselves in the mirror is fine by me. Don't hold your breath waiting for distributions in the amounts that they're floating around, however. Those figures were fed to the media as part of an illusion of prosperity that they're currently trying to convey will exist in a post NU/CU Big 12. By the time the truth is known, this story will no longer be in the nation's consciousness and the lie will have served its purpose. In short: Don't believe those dollar figures until you start cashing the checks.
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it seems like those numbers were thrown out to either entice TU to stay, or so TU could stay in the big 12 without admitting defeat in their pac 10 negotiations. either way, those numbers are not legitimate.
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Agreed! It will be interesting to see what the real TV revenue numbers will be.

I also think there is a factor that some people are missing here. NU travels really well and how is that going to effect business and tax revenue for your states? Then no CCG...might be losing out on some (not sure how much) money there. I just fail to see how the big 12 is going to double every schools revenue all of a sudden.

 
HuskerfaninOkieland said:
How does it feel to be whored out by your AD?
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They did what they felt they had to do. Very little pride can be had in whoring one's self out. But they were in survival mode and did what they felt was best. No matter how it feels and what the realities truly are. When Texas wants something all of the others will come a running.

Texas owns the rest of the Big 12. They know it and so do the rest of the teams. What a great recruiting tool NU now has. I can hear it now. Son do you want to play for a school that is an equal, stood up for themselves, and is on the way up or do you want to play for a Texas lap dog and have to hear it from their players each and every play?

 
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g-man said:
Projections are Texas 25 mil, A&M and OU 20 mil, everyone else 17mil. Good luck trying to keep up with the Joneses.
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This is true for Texas, ATM and OU......at $20M a piece guaranteed however not so much for the rest. At the projected rate of $135M tops annually for the 10 schools, that leaves around $70-75M for the other 7. So straight line that leaves the rest with $10M-10.7 each. Adding into the variability is their tier system with TT an OSU following possibly second, while the rest are in the 3rd tier.

 
jayhawk said:
There will be lots of talk of how we are all Texas's B****, but lets look at the initial reports

1) Schools like ISU, Baylor and K-state, who really might have been screwed (I like K-state's odds the best), are now looking to have thier conference fees double. Obliion to a huge raise, not bad.

2) Apparetnly A&M and OU get about as much or as much as UT. So UT is not at some massive advantage there

3) Longhorns could have their own network... Well, they have by far the most fans. Baylors brings basically nothing, but gets 2/3 what Texas does. Sounds like a good deal to me. If theirown network still leaves the rest of us with money close to or on par with the SEC

4) We get to keep most of our rivals. I know the Pac 16 was a little sexier, but Ihappen to like our old rivals in their roles and am glad to have em....

Could the whole thing fall to crap in 5-10 years, maybe... That is a distinct possibility... But I am glad our old Big 8 is mostly together. Will miss the Huskers, but I think the Big 10 should be nice for you all minus the loss of a lot of your own historical rivals, best wishes...
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And....what do you think your TV revenues are going to be when TU starts their Bevo Network? Enjoy it while you can, because the network that shows Big 12 games will have a hard time selling advertising when nobody in Texas will be watching.

 
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sarge87 said:
jayhawk said:
There will be lots of talk of how we are all Texas's B****, but lets look at the initial reports

1) Schools like ISU, Baylor and K-state, who really might have been screwed (I like K-state's odds the best), are now looking to have thier conference fees double. Obliion to a huge raise, not bad.

2) Apparetnly A&M and OU get about as much or as much as UT. So UT is not at some massive advantage there

3) Longhorns could have their own network... Well, they have by far the most fans. Baylors brings basically nothing, but gets 2/3 what Texas does. Sounds like a good deal to me. If theirown network still leaves the rest of us with money close to or on par with the SEC

4) We get to keep most of our rivals. I know the Pac 16 was a little sexier, but Ihappen to like our old rivals in their roles and am glad to have em....

Could the whole thing fall to crap in 5-10 years, maybe... That is a distinct possibility... But I am glad our old Big 8 is mostly together. Will miss the Huskers, but I think the Big 10 should be nice for you all minus the loss of a lot of your own historical rivals, best wishes...
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And....what do you think your TV revenues are going to be when TU starts their Bevo Network? Enjoy it while you can, because the network that shows Big 12 games will have a hard time selling advertising when nobody in Texas will be watching.
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There's no doubt we did the right thing academically. And in some ways I'm happy that the poor sisters of our former conference got thrown a bone.

On the other hand, had we known this is the outcome we got hosed to pay a big buy in and like it or now we owe a big settlement that we agreed to pay the conference we are leaving.

I am sure the Big 10 thought that all the Big 12 would break up since Texas said we were the only team they cared about leaving. Looks like Texas played the Big 10 and was happy to get rid of NU to have more money. Unfortunately the weak sisters are going to get a lot more money than we did from the Big 12 and more than we get for several years buying into the Big 10 and paying off the Big 12. Over time I think we are in good shape. But it is not the slam dunk it was when the Big 12 was disintegrating. Any Husker has to worry about our ability to recruit in Texas with the Big 12 in tact and all the teams playing in Texas much of the time. We are likely to have slim pickins in the Lone Star State and have to compete in the Big 10 states for athletes. I thought also if KU and Misery went to the Mountain West we would have much more advantage in the KC area and Misery in general. Now that is not going to happen.

Now if this still breaks down and the Big 12 is no more, we have it made. We still have it made academically and students to come will be thankful that they are in a Big 10 elite school. But with the wash in money and what I see is diminished ability to attract texas/Missouri athletes, I am not so sure that from an athletic standpoint the move is going to be as great as at first blush. We made the move--make the most of it. GBR

 
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Cy the Cyclone said:
Frankly...who cares? Nebraska called all the shots in the Big 8 under Devaney and under Osbourne as far as football was concerned. What they deemed to be good for Nebraska was deemed to be good for the rest of the schools whether they liked it or not. Now, Texas is calling all the shots. What's the difference whether it's Texas or Nebraska telling everybody else what to do? Here at ISU we'll be getting more money AND a we buy a little time to shop around for another conference when this one implodes.
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The question is will any other conference want you then.. This whole deal is still bad juju for ISU...

 
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