Has Delany/B1G done more for Nebraska than the Big XII?

[redblooded]

I'd say the B12 at the time it was formed gave us a greater TV exposure which aided in our branding of Nebraska Football. At the time we were in the Big 8 we were on TV 3 times a year if we were lucky and that was usually a national audience. When we joined with the Texas schools that gave us double the % of TVs watching the conference and allowed us to negotiate more TV appearances regionally and gave us better exposure to recruit our key areas. We also were kind of the lead conference in pushing for for bigger and better TV but we were just dumb on how we locked ourselves into contracts expiring at different times so in the end we played catch up to the SEC and B10 and allowed them to get ahead. But all in all the B12 did do us some good. I think we're getting into a better situation though.

I would say the league also helped us basketball wise. I don't think past AD's took advantage of this but its a damn good league. Our problem is that we treat it like a red headed step child. We wanted to be a winner then build around it with facilities when the reality is we needed to contribute to the facilities to be able to create a better opportunity for our basketball. But none the less we would have zero games on TV beside the two times we played KU if it weren't for the B12.

Not all of that TV has to do with conference. There was a large change in mindset in college sports during that time where before administrators thought TV would kill actual attendance to now where it has proven to have little to no impact but rather has increased exposure for schools and programs. So while Texas's population helped with contracts in that department TV games have gone from something rare to something networks fight over rights to. So we'd have seen an increase in TV exposure either way, probably just substantially less money from it.

 

[NUance]

I'd say the B12 at the time it was formed gave us a greater TV exposure which aided in our branding of Nebraska Football. At the time we were in the Big 8 we were on TV 3 times a year if we were lucky and that was usually a national audience. When we joined with the Texas schools that gave us double the % of TVs watching the conference and allowed us to negotiate more TV appearances regionally and gave us better exposure to recruit our key areas. We also were kind of the lead conference in pushing for for bigger and better TV but we were just dumb on how we locked ourselves into contracts expiring at different times so in the end we played catch up to the SEC and B10 and allowed them to get ahead. But all in all the B12 did do us some good. I think we're getting into a better situation though.

I would say the league also helped us basketball wise. I don't think past AD's took advantage of this but its a damn good league. Our problem is that we treat it like a red headed step child. We wanted to be a winner then build around it with facilities when the reality is we needed to contribute to the facilities to be able to create a better opportunity for our basketball. But none the less we would have zero games on TV beside the two times we played KU if it weren't for the B12.

Sure, the Big 12 helped out NU football a little. But it helped out UT football a LOT. When the Big 12 was formed, Husker football was a premier program in the hunt for the MNC nearly every year. The Whorns were a bunch of loudmouthed jackasses with a barely top-20 fb program. Since five years after the B12 was formed the Whorns have consistently been in the top 10. But they’re still a bunch of loudmouthed jackasses.

 

[T_O_Bull]

The Huskers and the Buffaloes have both moved into better, and more stable conferences. The Big 12 looks more and more like the old Southwest Conference.

T_O_B

:throwdabones1:

 

[okaive]

The Huskers and the Buffaloes have both moved into better, and more stable conferences. The Big 12 looks more and more like the old Southwest Conference.

T_O_B

:throwdabones1:

Which I hope folds once more.

 

[Coqui]

If you're a student, check out your libraries starting next year and you tell us if you received any benefits.

Actually, it wouldn't be in the libraries, but in the increased research opportunities in the labs and educational outreach programs the B1G has that the Big XII does not care to foster.

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And yes, while I originally had football in mind when starting this thread, we should not overlook the educational benefits that the B1G brings us. IIRC, Penn State almost tripled their grant money and saved quite a bit joining the B1G's educational spending consortium. If we emulate Penn State's success, DoNU could bring a lot of money into the state and save the taxpayers money at the same time.

Conversely, did/does the Big XII have anything similar to the B1G's educational partnerships? I know we've entered into joint projects with ISU, KSU, and KU from time to time, but nothing of the magnitude the B1G provides, right?

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Back on the football side, didn't the Big XII take away partial qualifiers from Nebraska? And I don't think we can blame just the Big XII for the demise of the yearly OU/NU game--Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with us yearly when the Big XII was formed, as that was their Gibbs/Blake era. They wanted out of what they perceived to be yearly arse-whippings for the forseeable future.

And remember the Big XII removed (every other year) the conference basketball tourney from Kansas City, as well as relocated the offices to Austin North (Irving).

It's both. Your libraries will (if not already) be linked up with all the other Big 10 universities. Not only this but it includes the University of Chicago, plus access to OCLC as well as a direct link to the library of Congress.

 

[VectorVictor]

If you're a student, check out your libraries starting next year and you tell us if you received any benefits.

Actually, it wouldn't be in the libraries, but in the increased research opportunities in the labs and educational outreach programs the B1G has that the Big XII does not care to foster.

---

And yes, while I originally had football in mind when starting this thread, we should not overlook the educational benefits that the B1G brings us. IIRC, Penn State almost tripled their grant money and saved quite a bit joining the B1G's educational spending consortium. If we emulate Penn State's success, DoNU could bring a lot of money into the state and save the taxpayers money at the same time.

Conversely, did/does the Big XII have anything similar to the B1G's educational partnerships? I know we've entered into joint projects with ISU, KSU, and KU from time to time, but nothing of the magnitude the B1G provides, right?

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Back on the football side, didn't the Big XII take away partial qualifiers from Nebraska? And I don't think we can blame just the Big XII for the demise of the yearly OU/NU game--Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with us yearly when the Big XII was formed, as that was their Gibbs/Blake era. They wanted out of what they perceived to be yearly arse-whippings for the forseeable future.

And remember the Big XII removed (every other year) the conference basketball tourney from Kansas City, as well as relocated the offices to Austin North (Irving).

It's both. Your libraries will (if not already) be linked up with all the other Big 10 universities. Not only this but it includes the University of Chicago, plus access to OCLC as well as a direct link to the library of Congress.

Sorry, Coqui, for some reason, I took your statement as the general sarcasm regarding academic/athletic benefits of the B1G. My bad.

 

[Coqui]

If you're a student, check out your libraries starting next year and you tell us if you received any benefits.

Actually, it wouldn't be in the libraries, but in the increased research opportunities in the labs and educational outreach programs the B1G has that the Big XII does not care to foster.

---

And yes, while I originally had football in mind when starting this thread, we should not overlook the educational benefits that the B1G brings us. IIRC, Penn State almost tripled their grant money and saved quite a bit joining the B1G's educational spending consortium. If we emulate Penn State's success, DoNU could bring a lot of money into the state and save the taxpayers money at the same time.

Conversely, did/does the Big XII have anything similar to the B1G's educational partnerships? I know we've entered into joint projects with ISU, KSU, and KU from time to time, but nothing of the magnitude the B1G provides, right?

---

Back on the football side, didn't the Big XII take away partial qualifiers from Nebraska? And I don't think we can blame just the Big XII for the demise of the yearly OU/NU game--Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with us yearly when the Big XII was formed, as that was their Gibbs/Blake era. They wanted out of what they perceived to be yearly arse-whippings for the forseeable future.

And remember the Big XII removed (every other year) the conference basketball tourney from Kansas City, as well as relocated the offices to Austin North (Irving).

It's both. Your libraries will (if not already) be linked up with all the other Big 10 universities. Not only this but it includes the University of Chicago, plus access to OCLC as well as a direct link to the library of Congress.

Sorry, Coqui, for some reason, I took your statement as the general sarcasm regarding academic/athletic benefits of the B1G. My bad.

Ah no. When I mean sarcasm, only an idiot won't get it because my post will ooze and scream it. (or I'll just say /sarcasm)

Since they are STUDENT athletes, I was thinking the academic part. Obviously the money you get from the Big10 conference is a nice bump as well. And it's a different type of competitive setting on the field as well.

 

[VectorVictor]

If you're a student, check out your libraries starting next year and you tell us if you received any benefits.

Actually, it wouldn't be in the libraries, but in the increased research opportunities in the labs and educational outreach programs the B1G has that the Big XII does not care to foster.

---

And yes, while I originally had football in mind when starting this thread, we should not overlook the educational benefits that the B1G brings us. IIRC, Penn State almost tripled their grant money and saved quite a bit joining the B1G's educational spending consortium. If we emulate Penn State's success, DoNU could bring a lot of money into the state and save the taxpayers money at the same time.

Conversely, did/does the Big XII have anything similar to the B1G's educational partnerships? I know we've entered into joint projects with ISU, KSU, and KU from time to time, but nothing of the magnitude the B1G provides, right?

---

Back on the football side, didn't the Big XII take away partial qualifiers from Nebraska? And I don't think we can blame just the Big XII for the demise of the yearly OU/NU game--Oklahoma wanted nothing to do with us yearly when the Big XII was formed, as that was their Gibbs/Blake era. They wanted out of what they perceived to be yearly arse-whippings for the forseeable future.

And remember the Big XII removed (every other year) the conference basketball tourney from Kansas City, as well as relocated the offices to Austin North (Irving).

It's both. Your libraries will (if not already) be linked up with all the other Big 10 universities. Not only this but it includes the University of Chicago, plus access to OCLC as well as a direct link to the library of Congress.

Sorry, Coqui, for some reason, I took your statement as the general sarcasm regarding academic/athletic benefits of the B1G. My bad.

Ah no. When I mean sarcasm, only an idiot won't get it because my post will ooze and scream it. (or I'll just say /sarcasm)

Since they are STUDENT athletes, I was thinking the academic part. Obviously the money you get from the Big10 conference is a nice bump as well. And it's a different type of competitive setting on the field as well.

I agree. Frankly, the research money, using Penn State as a model, could infuse another $300-500 million dollars/year into the Nebraska economy. Granted, not all of that money will impact local economy, even half of it would be pretty damn good for a state of 2.1 million people.

Then again, between water rights issues and general congestion in the Southern US, I wouldn't be shocked to see that 2.1 million number swell up to over 2.5 million by 2020, and over 3.5 million by 2030.

 

[junior4949]

The B1G treats its member schools in an even handed manner. The Big 12 is owned and operated by the University of Texas.

Which is nice for those not being treated fairly, but less than ideal if you're the one that gets all the special treatment, like we used to in the Big 8, and were fighting to keep with the formation of the Big XII. We're a bit hypocritical in this regard, not that it bothers me much.

Exactly! When the Big 12 was being formed, Nebraska was very much against the idea of every school getting the same money. It was viewed as being unfair for us to have to share revenue when we were on tv the most.

 

[junior4949]

I'd say the B12 at the time it was formed gave us a greater TV exposure which aided in our branding of Nebraska Football. At the time we were in the Big 8 we were on TV 3 times a year if we were lucky and that was usually a national audience. When we joined with the Texas schools that gave us double the % of TVs watching the conference and allowed us to negotiate more TV appearances regionally and gave us better exposure to recruit our key areas. We also were kind of the lead conference in pushing for for bigger and better TV but we were just dumb on how we locked ourselves into contracts expiring at different times so in the end we played catch up to the SEC and B10 and allowed them to get ahead. But all in all the B12 did do us some good. I think we're getting into a better situation though.

I would say the league also helped us basketball wise. I don't think past AD's took advantage of this but its a damn good league. Our problem is that we treat it like a red headed step child. We wanted to be a winner then build around it with facilities when the reality is we needed to contribute to the facilities to be able to create a better opportunity for our basketball. But none the less we would have zero games on TV beside the two times we played KU if it weren't for the B12.

Sure, the Big 12 helped out NU football a little. But it helped out UT football a LOT. When the Big 12 was formed, Husker football was a premier program in the hunt for the MNC nearly every year. The Whorns were a bunch of loudmouthed jackasses with a barely top-20 fb program. Since five years after the B12 was formed the Whorns have consistently been in the top 10. But they’re still a bunch of loudmouthed jackasses.

What did Texas becoming a top 10 program have to do with the Big 12? I don't recall Texas stealing any recruits from inside the Nebraska border. Texas football became a top 10 program because of Mack Brown. The Big 12 had absolutely nothing to do with it. If we're going to go this route, we should probably talk about OU. OU was a far cry from the top 50. I guess the Big 12 had everything to do with them becoming a top 10 program as well. Coaching changes have had a lot more to do with schools falling or rising than the formation of the Big 12.

 

[T_O_Bull]

The B1G has many storied programs. It has broght into the fold 2 more programs with equally great traditions, first Penn State and now Nebraska. These two teams have been led by coaching legends, Joe Pa and T.O. The Big 12 is evolving into a 2011 SWC. Good bye and good ridance big 12.

T_O_B

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[GBRsal]

Big12 bad