How did Ohio pull this off?

[ZRod]

USC and Boise St. both involved multiple sports at the same time.

Ohio State was just football.

which is why I said they were different cases and circumstances I was just using it as an example of the severity.

The allegations did in fact affect recruiting. We had decommits for this year. The sanctions already affected the institution as well (well at least the football program part of it). This would have been a national championship run year had Posey, Boom, Pryor, etc. been playing. Looks better for everyone involved? I guarantee you every single team that has had a regime change regardless of sanctions or not has used this waiver. Again, you're only hearing about it because it's Ohio State.

Not disputing anything about the affects on recruiting.

You also don't know the full sanctions yet (last I heard, we will hear about them by Christmas) How do you know that Tressel (the only one proven to know anything about this) won't have a show cause put on him? The FTM wasn't monitoring the athletes. It was leveraged due to a single booster. The FTM had nothing to do with the tattoos. It had to do with jobs.

I would fully expect Tressel to receive a show cause and I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. And there isn't really another reason to charge a school with FTM other than not monitoring the athletes. The school failed to make sure athletes weren't affiliating with the booster and failed to educate athletes about the booster despite concerns relating to that booster. Yes it's a seperate case but it happened while they were already under a microscope and that doesn't look good in anyone's eyes outside of Columbus.

As stated already, this was already a pretty steep punishment. Ohio State lost it's coach, it's star QB, those involved that are still playing lost a last push to impress NFL scouts. Posey had only one game in regular season to give NFL scouts something to watch. They lost out on what was almost assuredly a National Championship run or at least a BCS bowl (read millions of dollars)

I don't dispute any of this, like I said before I think all their self imposed punishments are pretty righteous. The national championship and BCS claim is almost completely irrelevant there is no way to know what would have happened and they're still playing in a bowl game.

You don't see how taking post season away would affect the institution? Loss of recruits, loss of money.

I didn't write that out very clearly, what I meant was I don't agree with taking the post season away from people who had nothing to do with the violations (which is what would be happening if they do it now) and that foregoing the waiver wouldn't have a long lasting financial or performance hit on the university, especially with the name that they have now.

 

[Muck]

Explain to me how USC loses scholi's and post season play for something that occurred 4 or 5 years ago while OSU hires a new head coach and he is allowed to have his staff operate for the university while the old staff remains for the post season, after multiple major violations?

Apples & Oranges.

Ohio State is also losing scholi's, had multiple players suspended and vacated an entire season as direct penalties leveled by the NCAA (that of course doesn't include the indirect penalties that resulted in this season's results or losing a number of players who likely would have ended up in Columbus).

from what I hear Se'von Pittman and a PSU DT have officially flipped, I wonder how many more Meyer can get before the dead period starts, this is getting interesting...

Schutt switching from Penn State is official now as well.

Interesting in that the two situations are so different. Se'Von is a huge Buckeye fan who made his verbal to Sparty in the wake of everything going on last spring/summer but has been trending back towards Ohio State for awhile (even before Meyer).

Schutt was definite to Penn State until everything started falling apart in Happy Valley due to their scandal.

Dodson is a lot like Se'Von...grew up a Buckeye fan but started looking elsewhere when the future looked uncertain, although prior to the hiring of Meyer there wasn't the same talk about rapprochement with Ohio State as there was with Pittman.

 

[Coqui]

from what I hear Se'von Pittman and a PSU DT have officially flipped, I wonder how many more Meyer can get before the dead period starts, this is getting interesting...

Word is that Dodson, the OT from Cleveland, is leaning Bucks after a soft verbal to Wisky in November. He made an official visit on Friday.

It's gonna be interesting because we are still focusing on Diamond from Chicago, Brionte(who is soft verbal OSU right now), Spence out of PA, and guys like Diggs on the east coast(there are a few more but It's going to be first come first served since we only have a handful of spots left)

After losing a lot of guys in the summer we might make this into a undisputed top-10 class (Scout has us at #10 and Rivals has us at #13).

Most interesting is going to be the battle for Dunn between OSU and UM

 

[WoodyHayes1951]

from what I hear Se'von Pittman and a PSU DT have officially flipped, I wonder how many more Meyer can get before the dead period starts, this is getting interesting...

Word is that Dodson, the OT from Cleveland, is leaning Bucks after a soft verbal to Wisky in November. He made an official visit on Friday.

It's gonna be interesting because we are still focusing on Diamond from Chicago, Brionte(who is soft verbal OSU right now), Spence out of PA, and guys like Diggs on the east coast(there are a few more but It's going to be first come first served since we only have a handful of spots left)

After losing a lot of guys in the summer we might make this into a undisputed top-10 class (Scout has us at #10 and Rivals has us at #13).

Most interesting is going to be the battle for Dunn between OSU and UM

He loves him some him and loves the attention.

This picture should give us a good idea of what he's feeling though

If he decides to defect than it's ok as long as we get Diamond,Dodson and Spence. Tailback is on the backburner for me

 

[WoodyHayes1951]

Welcome to the family Brionte!

 

[HSKR]

The local sports talk guy in Omaha today was talking about how in the end this is probably going to work for the better for Ohio State. Yes, they lost the sweater vest but gained Urban Meyer. They had a bad season this year but it looks like recruiting is going to turn out for the better and they could easily be the favorite in the Leaders next year if they don't get whacked by the NCAA too bad.